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Macron: AstraZeneca vaccine seems ‘quasi-ineffective’ on older people
French president’s remarks came shortly before EU regulator approved jab for all adults.
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NilSatisOptimum
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Its comedy gold, reminds of Comical Ali, like doing an impression of himself in the Iraq war... 100,000 dead but we are winning the war on vaccines, but what about 100,000 dead people. Johnson and Johnson is 66% and on it goes...
peteblue
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What is sad is the slavish defence of a stupid and vindictive EU by Remainers....
Thing is, AZ is Swedish-British. From what I can tell, they used Oxford's manufacturing/procurement/testing facilities to get it through trial stage really? Something along those lines anyway.
But yeah, as far as I can see there's yet any confirmation that J&J have a large sample size of people over 55. I don't care, because i'm confident that these things wouldn't get through independent regulators unless they worked, and the important thing is stopping severe illness, not infection, as with any vaccine.
To be honest, it's bad on both sides.
The scrabbling that has been done to justify some of the EU Commission's decisions has been just as bad as slating every single thing they've done too.
They've cocked up. AZ shouldn't have done what they've done perhaps (in terms of promising a 'best effort' or whatever) but based on the article that @Neiler shared and others I've read today, that contract is not what you'd expect three months of extra negotiations to come up with.
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Is there a breakdown or data available regarding which vaccines have been used. I have my first on Sunday, about which I am pleased. Just hope that there will not be a long delay before the booster dose. From the table above the frequency of this needs to be improved in comparison to the first dose. Here's hoping.
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Historians will look back at the great vaccine war that started with an argument about a fish 
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Politico is not without bias is it. Without seeing the original French we cannot know exactly what Macron said.Macron: AstraZeneca vaccine seems ‘quasi-ineffective’ on older people
French president’s remarks came shortly before EU regulator approved jab for all adults.
In any event,
Macron surely was only repeating doubts already expressed by a panel of German scientists.
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Let me guess, if my answer is 0< then that makes me a MURDERER. I’ll go with Whitty and say when we reach a level similar to a normal flu year.
You don’t get to just answer my question with a question either though. If you want to say that 0 deaths moving forward is the only acceptable outcome then just say it. It’s impossible given how endemic this thing will/had become but you can still say it.
That’s the issue here- you view it as my responsibility to keep you or others safe. No matter what it takes and by any means necessary, with the state stepping in as much as possible if it has to. I view it as my responsibility to keep others safe as much as possible up to the point where to do so negatively impacts my own life, especially long term. I guess I’m a bad person but at least I’m honest. I wish you’d be honest and just admit you basically want a lockdown to achieve 0 Covid. Because it’s either that or you accept that there will be some deaths in the future. And seeing as you seem unwilling to do that, I don’t see what else you could be thinking.
Now, currently due to a majority of the country not being vaccinated, everyone has to take responsibility. But it’s pretty obvious that the measures that would save lives are being tolerated until mass vaccination takes place. You are however delusional if you think people will tolerate restrictions on their lives once hospitalisations and deaths fall massively, or that people actually have an appetite for these restrictions (in your first response to me you said the “majority” want measures to continue and for society to change- I highly doubt this).
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peteblue
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I’ve no idea about what politico is or isn’t, I just did a search and it popped up. The writer said in the article that they were at the press conference so I assume there is some merit in it. I think Macron was just trying to strut his stuff and give the U.K. a kick at the same time. What is going through their heads at the moment god only knows. Just shut up, see what happens with the EU and AZ (but I think they really know anyway). They have already ordered about 600 million Pfizer’s, but if it makes them feel good blocking vaccines to the U.K., fine, get on with it, it’s their reputation on the line.....
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“ Protection was consistent across age groups, including the over-60s, the company said, and there was a “very significant benefit” from two weeks after the jab.
The trial included almost 44,000 participants and accrued 468 symptomatic cases of Covid-19, across both groups that received the placebo and those that received the vaccine. No significant safety concerns were reported.”
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