Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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While they have gone against evidence for the Pfizer one, it appears that the longer gap between the doses for the Oxford Vaccine could actually be a benefit.

I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, btw. They are doing it to get more people vaccinated quickly - that's a good thing. However, are they risking the vaccinations not been as effective by doing that? Pfizer say so, so in that sense they are risking it. However, the Oxford vaccine, there doesn't appear to be a risk with that. However, the numbers tested weren't as great as the Pfizer one.

What’s the evidence for changing the schedule?

There isn’t much for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, as trials did not compare different dose spacing or compare one with two doses. The trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did include different spacing between doses, finding that a longer gap (two to three months) led to a greater immune response, but the overall participant numbers were small. In the UK study 59% (1407 of 2377) of the participants who had two standard doses received the second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first. In the Brazil study only 18.6% (384 of 2063) received a second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first. The combined trial results, published in the Lancet, found that vaccine efficacy 14 days after a second dose was higher in the group that had more than six weeks between the two doses (65.4%) than in the group that had less than six weeks between doses (53.4%)...

...Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said, “In an ideal world, decisions about treatments would only be made within the exact parameters of the trials which have been conducted. In the real world, this is never so . . . We know that vaccinating only half of a vulnerable population will lead to a notable increase in cases of covid-19, with all that this entails, including deaths. When resources of doses and people to vaccinate are limited, then vaccinating more people with potentially less efficacy is demonstrably better than a fuller efficacy in only half.

Also, while I appreciate you rightly hate our government, we aren't the only country to be doing it.


Denmark on Monday approved a lag of up to six weeks between the first and second shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, Reuters reported, although the vaccine is meant to to be given in doses three weeks apart. Germany and Ireland are considering similar moves.

All we can do now is get people vaccinated. The sooner that happens, the better. The evidence suggests the Oxford vaccine will be stronger for it, though we will of course not know for sure until further down the line. Same with Pfizer.

Is it a political decision? Well, every decision taken by a government is political. It's why I hate those idiots who accused Starmer of 'playing politics' calling for stricter measures back in autumn. It's his job to play politics, he's a politician.
Anyone who accepts that the spacing out of jabs 1 and 2 from 3 weeks to 3 months is desirable or even neutral must have their heads buttoned up at the back.

This is a government swamped by its own catastrophic policy using its regulators to rubber stamp a dodgy u-turn.
 
Anyone who accepts that the spacing out of jabs 1 and 2 from 3 weeks to 3 months is desirable or even neutral must have their heads buttoned up at the back.

This is a government swamped by its own catastrophic policy using its regulators to rubber stamp a dodgy u-turn.

But they tested that with the Oxford vaccine and it led to a 10% boost in efficiency?

The Pfizer one wasn't tested so I agree with that one they should be sticking to the 3 weeks.
 
I hate Tories but this is a step past a strong lockdown.

I don't like them either, and I also strongly disagree with police on the streets locking people in their homes.

However, people in here - and on Twitter - have called for it. As a rule of thumb, they're people who are also strongly left-leaning in their views - which is fine, I believe i'm fairly left wing and liberal. I just don't fully bow to socialism being the answer etc.

My point was people of that pov tend to just automatically agree with anything this government does. Sometimes fairly so. But in this case, if they did introduce this, then it'd be exactly what some people have been calling for.
 
Anyone who accepts that the spacing out of jabs 1 and 2 from 3 weeks to 3 months is desirable or even neutral must have their heads buttoned up at the back.

This is a government swamped by its own catastrophic policy using its regulators to rubber stamp a dodgy u-turn.
Its sets a very dangerous precedent in excluding evidence based practice in health. Other scenarios in health emergencies will now look to this moment.

Many of those outside practice appear to be looking at best evidence based practice as some extension of elf and safety, when in fact its developed over many decades because of examples of malpractice and poor practice such contaminated blood scandal.

Very bad day when Government politicised front line care.
 
Its sets a very dangerous precedent in excluding evidence based practice in health. Other scenarios in health emergencies will now look to this moment.

Many of those outside practice appear to be looking at best evidence based practice as some extension of elf and safety, when in fact its developed over many decades because of examples of malpractice and poor practice such contaminated blood scandal.

Very bad day when Government politicised front line care.
It's a political decision over-ruling a medical one.

This government are renegades.
 
Its sets a very dangerous precedent in excluding evidence based practice in health. Other scenarios in health emergencies will now look to this moment.

Many of those outside practice appear to be looking at best evidence based practice as some extension of elf and safety, when in fact its developed over many decades because of examples of malpractice and poor practice such contaminated blood scandal.

Very bad day when Government politicised front line care.

Have you read my post? Interested to get your takes on it and the evidence discussed in it.
 
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