Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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daza_1973 said:
If you could spend a day in the construction industry I'm sure you'd be flabbergasted at what occurs - okay covid measures put in place, but essentially to tick boxes and cover backsides. Very little enforcement to be fair.
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I mean I work on site too - not doing the work itself but I go into the site offices to help with their document control (it's what I used to do full time) and then also take photos, do the presentation templates etc

Was on site a lot through November and early December. Won't have to go on site this month.

So again - all depends on the company. The one I work for is in HDD/pipelines. The safety measures in place are extremely strict and the COVID policies are too. Work for big organisations like SSE, SGN etc so they have to be.
 
Deckard2049 said:
www.theguardian.com

England Covid lockdown likely to be in place until March, Gove warns

Minister says time needed for vaccine to take effect means restrictions cannot definitely be lifted in mid-February
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

I genuinely cannot believe people who are optimistic for this year.
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Thing is though, by May, IF - big if - we have got those four groups vaxxed, plus more priority groups, then there's no chance we shouldn't be able to do things like go to outdoor events or matches, whatever.

As long as the people who need this have got this - and ffs the average death age is 82, so just get those groups vaccinated - then there's no valid reason to keep the semi-lockdown state up.

Depends entirely on the NHS and gov. getting the vaccines out, though, so that's why I get the concerns.
 
BlueToff said:
Loads of people can work from home now though - so unless they're really ill, they don't have that excuse.

I fully agree that, especially right now, if you feel ill - in terms of something you could spread - you shouldn't go into work. But that excuse doesn't fly if you're able to work from home, which almost every office is set up to do.

The industry that really isn't great for calling in ill is retail and hospitality. Well, they aren't open, so the 'they won't get paid if they don't go in' thing doesn't fly there either.

If you're not well enough to work at all it's a different matter. If you think you should be given universal payment because you've got a cold, even though you can log in from home and not endanger anyone else, then that's another thing altogether.
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It's not the people disobeying, it's the employers.
 
BlueToff said:
I mean I work on site too - not doing the work itself but I go into the site offices to help with their document control (it's what I used to do full time) and then also take photos, do the presentation templates etc

Was on site a lot through November and early December. Won't have to go on site this month.

So again - all depends on the company. The one I work for is in HDD/pipelines. The safety measures in place are extremely strict and the COVID policies are too. Work for big organisations like SSE, SGN etc so they have to be.
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Sadly many (but certainly not all) smaller companies ride rough shod ofter many important things
 
Tubey said:
It's not the people disobeying, it's the employers.
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I agree there in relation to @adi dassler and @daza_1973's concerns.

But that doesn't really answer the point I raised does it?

If someone works on a salary, they get sick pay.

A lot of jobs that aren't salaried are in industries such as: hospitality (closed), leisure (closed), construction (open, but head offices should be shut/wfh), events (closed, lucky if we ever get them back), retail (closed), services (hairdressers and the like - closed)

I'm reeling off a few off the top of my head but all of those industries are either shut or all but shut. Support is there for most people (not all, and that's a travesty) and construction is the one keeping going.

If you're a contractor who needs to go to site, then yes, the worry is there that if you don't work, you don't get paid. Hopefully in that instance those people qualify for SEISS, and as I said with the site regulations that I know of, people are having to have tests before they go to site and to be able to prove they're negative. There definitely needs to be support in place though for that instance.

If you work in an office in any trade, then by and large you will be - or may never have stopped - working from home. In that instance, my point was you shouldn't have people phoning in sick because they have a cold or bug and are worried about spreading it. You're at home, so it's no concern. Obviously, if you're too ill to work that's a different matter.

But the industries which actually are really poor for people being off sick because if they are they don't get paid - and I'm sure you'd know this if you work in one, aren't you self-employed? - are by and large all now closed down, so it really shouldn't be an issue that people are worried that if they don't go into a place of work, that they won't get paid.
 
Number_25 said:
Solidarity to all of the parents left in the lurch today after yesterdays announcement.

I don't understand how you can ask parents to not work, and not pay them.
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The furlough scheme and SEISS scheme cover just that. Employers can place staff on furlough for childcare means.

However, whether self-employed people or freelancers qualify for SEISS is the issue.
 
BlueToff said:
I agree there in relation to @adi dassler and @daza_1973's concerns.

But that doesn't really answer the point I raised does it?

If someone works on a salary, they get sick pay.

A lot of jobs that aren't salaried are in industries such as: hospitality (closed), leisure (closed), construction (open, but head offices should be shut/wfh), events (closed, lucky if we ever get them back), retail (closed), services (hairdressers and the like - closed)

I'm reeling off a few off the top of my head but all of those industries are either shut or all but shut. Support is there for most people (not all, and that's a travesty) and construction is the one keeping going.

If you're a contractor who needs to go to site, then yes, the worry is there that if you don't work, you don't get paid. Hopefully in that instance those people qualify for SEISS, and as I said with the site regulations that I know of, people are having to have tests before they go to site and to be able to prove they're negative. There definitely needs to be support in place though for that instance.

If you work in an office in any trade, then by and large you will be - or may never have stopped - working from home. In that instance, my point was you shouldn't have people phoning in sick because they have a cold or bug and are worried about spreading it. You're at home, so it's no concern. Obviously, if you're too ill to work that's a different matter.

But the industries which actually are really poor for people being off sick because if they are they don't get paid - and I'm sure you'd know this if you work in one, aren't you self-employed? - are by and large all now closed down, so it really shouldn't be an issue that people are worried that if they don't go into a place of work, that they won't get paid.
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There are certain loophole businesses who stay open and try to go under the radar. Employees go along with it out of fear of losing their jobs if they don't. It happened in March, it'll happen at a much bigger scale this time.

Statutory Sick Pay is a joke and that's what many would face by not going in.
 
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