Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Pretty fair to suggest Germany response has been better than ours.

From more adequate PPE, track trace at home, compared to our UK Government sanctioning use of out of date PPE, not so world beating Track and Trace.

And to death numbers, Germany near 35,000- UK near 75,000.

Trust is and going to be big issue.

I didn't say it hasn't been. You've taken the wrong point here.

But as it stands they're currently getting hit with figures similar to ours and are now looking at the same solution that the UK government are for increasing vaccine roll out.

 

[Brennan]

The UK has secured 40 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, seven million doses of the Moderna vaccine and 100 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.

If there was no wastage, that's enough to vaccinate the entire population and then some

They're all coming/or already here.

It's on the government and NHS to sort out the logistics of getting them out there.

There are only going to be around 2 million doses per week made available by manufacturers.

The government have “secured” by preordering. It will be a year before we could vaccinate everybody.

 

[stommo]

So are Germany's government

Just because the German government does something that the UK government is doing, doesn't mean it's not very worrying. German citizen's likewise should be worried.

 

[Billy Dean]

Okay, I agree, kind of.

No office workers are going to be forced to go in. I may lose one of my jobs because the office I work at part-time is closing, I'll find out today. It's in construction, which is essential - and construction absolutely is essential as it encompasses a wide range of things - so the sites will be open. However, office wise they can work from home so for now I've been told to stay home. Hopefully they're willing to invest in having the software I need set up remotely. But I don't know, as I'm only freelance.

Outside of office work, or stuff that can be done online, it's not a case of people not going into work because they can't afford to. It's that they have to go into a place of work to do their job.

The issue for people who have been 'excluded' (i'm one of them) is that they have never had support since last March. That is due to how the packages of support - which if you can get them are good - are built up and qualified for. That's what needs to change, yet MPs are too thick to ask the right questions even when they are in touch with the excluded group.

There is no way the current SEISS - which will have to carry on beyond April - should now be using data from 16-19 tax years only. For example, I've paid my self-assessment for 2019-20, so the evidence of my earnings is now with HMRC. Yet I won't get anything. A freelancer who works for the same company as me did qualify in March and has now had three SEISS payments, even while being able to work once the sport fully clicked up again. He's not doing anything wrong, he's getting what he's entitled to. Yet on a technicality and a random selection of doing things, I get nothing, and will continue to get nothing. There's a lot of people like me, and in a worst position of having to support a family etc, so that's what needs to be fixed.

I agree mate. The government has more than enough resources to support those that need it. IMO they are choosing not to because its against their ideology.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I didn't say it hasn't been. You've taken the wrong point here.

But as it stands they're currently getting hit with figures similar to ours and are now looking at the same solution that the UK government are for increasing vaccine roll out.

Evidently they have much better outcome in their entire response, you cant compartmentalize the various virus responses for political and the convivence of national pride.

 

[Billy Dean]

Yeah I mean fair enough on the logistics side, I have no confidence in them

But I can see why they've tried to increase roll out with the dosage and the second one is a booster.

We're also not the only ones doing it, as @Billy Dean said yesterday -

Germany now looking into possibilities of increasing length of time between doses and also if they can get 6 doses out of 1 vial of the Pfizer vaccine rather than the prescribed 5.

They're looking into it but haven't made a decision yet I don't think.

 

[BlueToff]

There are only going to be around 2 million doses per week made available by manufacturers.

The government have “secured” by preordering. It will be a year before we could vaccinate everybody.

I took that first line from the telegraph's rolling report, to get the figures right - so just stressing that the vaccines are either here or will be here (as I said).

It'll be the same everywhere - it's going to take a year to vaccinate everybody. But everybody shouldn't have to be vaccinated for life to kick back into gear.

I'm not expecting it in mid-feb, btw, but April/May, there's no real excuse - that's on the basis that by then the people who need the vaccine as priorities are vaccinated.

Be interesting to see how Indonesia's approach pays off.

 

[BlueToff]

They're looking into it but haven't made a decision yet I don't think.

Have our government made the decision?

I know they did on the Pfizer ones, but they may not on the AZ ones?

Even Germany considering it would suggest they see it as a viable option.

I said in a post last night, I don't know if that makes it right or not. Just stating that it's not just our mob

 

[tsubaki]

Yeah I mean fair enough on the logistics side, I have no confidence in them

But I can see why they've tried to increase roll out with the dosage and the second one is a booster.

We're also not the only ones doing it, as @Billy Dean said yesterday -

Germany now looking into possibilities of increasing length of time between doses and also if they can get 6 doses out of 1 vial of the Pfizer vaccine rather than the prescribed 5.

Yes, but the problem is that this is meant to be a national scale project; you can’t just at the last minute completely change the timescales, numbers of people involved and so on. As one GP pointed out, just changing everyone’s already booked appointments was hundreds of hours work.

 

[BlueToff]

Just because the German government does something that the UK government is doing, doesn't mean it's not very worrying. German citizen's likewise should be worried.

I agree with that, fully.

But we need to get people vaccinated. If they can prove it doesn't have a negative impact, then it will mean more people can get up to 90% protection quicker, with their booster to take it up.

That's a good thing. But, if it's not working, then they have to change their approach.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes, but the problem is that this is meant to be a national scale project; you can’t just at the last minute completely change the timescales, numbers of people involved and so on. As one GP pointed out, just changing everyone’s already booked appointments was hundreds of hours work.

I agree on that.

The logistics are - as expected - all over the shop. Agreed with a great post by @Haydn on that last night

 

[adi dassler]

It hasn't started yet

Comes into force midnight tonight

By law, but the rules should be followed straight away apparently. Schools are closed from today for example, for all except key worker children.

 

[BlueToff]

It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends

Should be some serious repercussions that the only solution the majority governments came up with for dealing with this is the above, btw

 

[BlueToff]

By law, but the rules should be followed straight away apparently. Schools are closed from today for example, for all except key worker children.

Okay. I mean I haven't travelled today so I wouldn't know. But if everywhere is shut, where are people going?

 

[adi dassler]

Okay. I mean I haven't travelled today so I wouldn't know. But if everywhere is shut, where are people going?

Work I assume. The firm I work for is a tier 1 Main Contractor who still expect us to go to the workplace despite the fact the job could be done remotely. This is different to last March where all offices were closed and support staff either furloughed or told to work at home.