Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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It’s not that baffling. Incubation period and children being asymptomatic suggests that the child wouldn’t show any symptoms or may not test positive within 7-10 days of the other family members contracting. This is why schools are currently not safe. With adults, it’s somewhat easier to tell who has it because you would probably show some symptoms. Children can contract and pass this on to others who then do the same without anybody knowing about it, then bring the virus into the family home, or the supermarket, or the restaurant.

Her other kids have tested positive - they're 7 and 10.

There's lots of discrepancies with people testing positive one day and negative the next (see why Scott Parker and Ralph Hasenhuttl are now able to come out of isolation despite it being nowhere near two weeks). Similarly, the City players who tested negative on Xmas Eve and then tested positive 2/3 days later.

There's no set rule of thumb.

I've not even mentioned schools, just thought it was interesting.
 
In Italy both teachers and pupils are wearing mask all the time btw. If schools were to be opened, should be the case in the UK. Though imo should stay shut atm.
 
Having schools open creates bad behaviours. 7x more spread from teenagers. If you close all schools it starts to feel like a real lockdown and people are willing to comply. If you see 1500 socialising at the school over the road, why would you comply with the rules? Thats the way many people are probably looking at this.

Get all schools closed. I'm not a huge fan of curfews but an 8pm to 6am curfew which is policed heavily may now be required due to the super virus.
Agree with a lot what you say but for me that is edging towards a police state
 
If asymptomatic transmission amongst children is rare, and if Teachers ensure they isolate when displaying symptoms, then why must Schools shut? If Schools shut then parents do not go to work, which is a big problem, particularly for my family in the UK (one of which is a teacher).

Professor Mark Woolhouse, part of the SAGE team advising the UK government has stated this before:

"One thing we have learnt is that children are certainly, in the five to 15 brackets from school to early years, are minimally involved in the epidemiology of this virus. They are probably less susceptible and vanishingly unlikely to end up in hospital or to die from it.

“There is increasing evidence that they rarely transmit. For example, it is extremely difficult to find any instance anywhere in the world a single example of a child transmitting to a teacher in school. There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.

“There are certain environments where this virus transmits very well, and children are not present in these environments. Most governments in Europe now recognise that stopping children playing outside was not needed, and most governments will probably now say that going to school as normal is safe. We can use that information in the future."

Just on this point - nobody should be stopped from going outside at all.

It's just absolutely crazy.

Obviously you should social distance, and I don't think having playgrounds and stuff open is sensible at this time, but there's still people calling for martial law to be enforced and 'total lockdown' where people can't leave their homes.

Being able to go out and get fresh air is good for everybody. Just make sure that they're being sensible and keeping distance from others. Going on a walk is far safer than going to the supermarket, let's put it that way.
 
My mate who works for the i put this out yesterday.

The responses - some of them - genuinely baffle and frighten me. He was obviously been semi-serious (it's a good point, what would be the difference) but the first 2 responses were about banning exercise and having the military on the streets.

 
Agree with a lot what you say but for me that is edging towards a police state
Which is what some people (not saying @grandjoeblue does) seem to want.

I don't agree with a curfew, in all honesty I'm not even sure that makes any real impact anyway, would just mean more people in supermarkets etc due to the shorter opening hours. Closing schools is probably the easiest way to make a sizable difference.

I can't think of any other measures that are realistic that would make a real impact.
 
A curfew reminds me of China. Do we really want that. Not me.

I mean, I really doubt it'd even do much good anyway?

We're in January, and literally the only things open after 8pm are supermarkets and gyms - neither of which would be particularly busy at that time anyway.

Nobody is standing outside to wait for a takeout coffee or sandwich at 8pm in January.

I'd understand if pubs/bars/restaurants were open, but they aren't.

All it'd do is make people try and rush in before the curfew and as @grandjoeblue probably just increase the spread
 
I don't agree with a curfew, in all honesty I'm not even sure that makes any real impact anyway, would just mean more people in supermarkets etc due to the shorter opening hours. Closing schools is probably the easiest way to make a sizable difference.

I can't think of any other measures that are realistic that would make a real impact.

Don't have the unis going back another one (not sure if they are?). They should never have opened back up in the first place.

Schools is one thing - generally it's all local. Unis you had 1000s of students travelling around the country, just as the weather started to turn too and rates of illness generally start to become higher. Plus, all these students living in shared accomodation one way or the other, and some of them - understandably - going home after a few weeks because it was horrible. Absolute lunacy and it's on both the government and the unis themselves.
 
Don't have the unis going back another one (not sure if they are?). They should never have opened back up in the first place.

Schools is one thing - generally it's all local. Unis you had 1000s of students travelling around the country, just as the weather started to turn too and rates of illness generally start to become higher. Plus, all these students living in shared accomodation one way or the other, and some of them - understandably - going home after a few weeks because it was horrible. Absolute lunacy and it's on both the government and the unis themselves.
Yeh definitely agree on the universities, I sort of categorise them with schools but they are separate. Universities should have been online only this year anyway.
 
Yeh definitely agree on the universities, I sort of categorise them with schools but they are separate. Universities should have been online only this year anyway.

That would wipe some of them out - sorry for repeating myself, but they’ve become entirely reliant on borrowing (admittedly by students rather than themselves). Thirty years ago they could have easily made it through this with not that much support, but not now.
 
Which will ensure a shorter period of distress. What would you prefer Toff, a month or two of proper lockdown/police state or months and months of police state lite??

I think you can have a lockdown without having police and military on the street.

However, I don't see curfews etc making much difference at this time. Neither will stopping people being able to go out on a walk or for a run/bike ride, whatever.

Keep the schools shut, keep the unis shut, and hope that makes a difference as the vaccines start to roll out.

Nobody can do anything anyway. It's the dead of winter, there's nowhere to go.

The cases will only shoot up again once any lockdown restrictions are eased anyway.
 
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