Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[bullybeef]

it's highly unlikely they caught it on xmas day though. I mean it's possible but the incubation period and onset of symptoms tends to be a little longer than a week

Well apparently they were shielding/self isolating before Xmas.

Symptoms can start 5 days after infection.
Viral Load may have been a factor.

 

[arminisgod]

Well apparently they were shielding/self isolating before Xmas.

Symptoms can start 5 days after infection.
Viral Load may have been a factor.

my GF parents friends have it... 4 of them. Apparently they were all shielding too.

So either they are lying or think still going sainsburys and the bakers is shielding or everybody in the country has it.

 

[tsubaki]

Scumbag for making suggestions? I'd rather listen to him and have him in charge during the pandemic than Johnson

He isn’t making suggestions though - he’s found out some of what is being done (but not yet announced) and presenting them as his ideas.

 

[tsubaki]

Aren't France seeing cases around the same as us and they're yet to start vaccinating.

It's not defending this government but at this stage every country in the west is doing exactly the same thing.

And, as well as Aus and NZ have dealt with it, they'll be exactly the same when it comes round to getting people vaccinated too. Only way to beat this.

Track, test and trace isn't sustainable long term

Yes it is; in fact that is what’s required to get us back to normal and prevent this sort of thing happening again.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes it is; in fact that is what’s required to get us back to normal and prevent this sort of thing happening again.

In its current guise in the western world it's clearly not? It's not worked anywhere across Europe - look at Germany.

We haven't had a pandemic in 100 years, so surely we shouldn't all be having to isolate once the vaccine is out there in 6-8 months (whenever it may be)?

Asian countries were still impacted by this, but they just had a system in place from their experience with SARS.

I'm happy for that to be the case here - use the experience to ensure if another epidemic comes we know what to do - but surely people in South Korea haven't been isolating and getting traced for the past years since SARS came along?

 

[tsubaki]

In its current guise in the western world it's clearly not?

We haven't had a pandemic in 100 years, so surely we shouldn't all be having to isolate once the vaccine is out there in 6-8 months (whenever it may be)?

Asian countries were still impacted by this, but they just had a system in place from their experience with SARS.

I'm happy for that to be the case here - use the experience to ensure if another epidemic comes we know what to do - but surely people in South Korea haven't been isolating and getting traced for the past years since SARS came along?

Yes - that’s the point, that SK, Taiwan and others had a proper test, track and trace system in place and ready to go. They didn’t have to lockdown as much as we have, and they haven’t been locked down since SARS.

Them having that saved many lives, just as ours would have done if the government had used the time earlier in the year to set a proper one up. We could have been back to a form of normal (as the Asian countries are) if they had.

Of course it will cost billions to run, but that is the cost of protection and even if it’s a once a century event (and it’s not) it would be cheaper than going through this again.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes - that’s the point, that SK, Taiwan and others had a proper test, track and trace system in place and ready to go. They didn’t have to lockdown as much as we have, and they haven’t been locked down since SARS.

Them having that saved many lives, just as ours would have done if the government had used the time earlier in the year to set a proper one up. We could have been back to a form of normal (as the Asian countries are) if they had.

Of course it will cost billions to run, but that is the cost of protection and even if it’s a once a century event (and it’s not) it would be cheaper than going through this again.

Okay, I should have made my point clearer then, I do agree with that. We obviously need that system in place. The way the UK and European countries implemented it earlier this year clearly had very little impact. Germany was the shining light and is currently one of the worst-hit nations.

But the priority right now is the vaccine, isn't it? Anything else, for now, has to take a back seat. Get people vaccinated and then have a formulated, uniform plan that will enable countries to deal with anything like this happening again.

That would have been the case even if we had test and trace in place. We'd still need the vaccines out there asap.

 

[Charro]

For some, not all.

We don't need the gov to shut down a pub to decide not step foot in it, do we?

Yes, we literally need the government to shut the pubs during a pandemic.

Its not up to the public to decide what we can and can’t do. It’s up to the government to put in the necessary restrictions.

You even admitted to going to the pub yourself so I gather your placing some of the blame at your own door then?

 

[degsy]

Second wave started because the government opened every school in the country with essentially zero restrictions and at the same time decided to send thousands of students back to crammed student housing blocks with shared facilities.

Utter incompetence at every stage and its not down to people going a pub.

It's not been helped by a large cross section of the Country acting like total tossers.
When it comes and it will eventually, the Royal Commission report will probably be filed under fantasy and fiction and more informative for what it leaves out and doesn't address...and who it doesn't blame.

 

[summerisle]

Self- entitled pricks strikes again.

 

[Billy Dean]

Okay, I should have made my point clearer then, I do agree with that. We obviously need that system in place. The way the UK and European countries implemented it earlier this year clearly had very little impact. Germany was the shining light and is currently one of the worst-hit nations.

But the priority right now is the vaccine, isn't it? Anything else, for now, has to take a back seat. Get people vaccinated and then have a formulated, uniform plan that will enable countries to deal with anything like this happening again.

That would have been the case even if we had test and trace in place. We'd still need the vaccines out there asap.

The sad thing is I have no faith in any western government to put a plan in place in case something like this happens again.

 

[BlueToff]

Shut the schools. Use the kids as vaccine runners.

 

[tsubaki]

Okay, I should have made my point clearer then, I do agree with that. We obviously need that system in place. The way the UK and European countries implemented it earlier this year clearly had very little impact. Germany was the shining light and is currently one of the worst-hit nations.

But the priority right now is the vaccine, isn't it? Anything else, for now, has to take a back seat. Get people vaccinated and then have a formulated, uniform plan that will enable countries to deal with anything like this happening again.

That would have been the case even if we had test and trace in place. We'd still need the vaccines out there asap.

We’ve got to do both, and do both properly.

The vaccine, provided its administered correctly, will start to give some protection to society but it’s only a relatively temporary measure to deal with this virus. Only a comprehensive public health protection system can provide long term protection, not only against this but also against what’s coming along next, seasonal flu outbreaks etc etc.

 

[Nymzee]

Yes, we literally need the government to shut the pubs during a pandemic.

Its not up to the public to decide what we can and can’t do. It’s up to the government to put in the necessary restrictions.

You even admitted to going to the pub yourself so I gather your placing some of the blame at your own door then?

Of course, no one is perfect, I've been three times and followed the protocols.

But I'm also arguing we blame each other as well as the gov so moot point really.

 

[Billy Dean]

Of course, no one is perfect, I've been three times and followed the protocols.

But I'm also arguing we blame each other as well as the gov so moot point really.

Unfortunately a lot of people don’t give a crap and will do whatever their government allows them to do. That’s the reality.