Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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tsubaki said:
Thats like blaming the canary in it’s cage because the miners ignored its call. SAGE gave it’s advice, it was ignored until it looked like it would prove to be correct and then harsher measures had to be brought in.
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Part of the issue has been that they’ve been completely unable to communicate effectively with the public. Granted it’s been made infinitely more difficult in an age of social media and having a government made up of self serving pricks, but reports written in a way the majority will struggle to comprehend, ‘next slide please’ mentality and a lack of a coherent message (again not helped by the government) has demonstrated a big problem for me.
 
Analysis: Hints that new variant is ‘no worse’ than regular Covid

Michelle Roberts

Health editor, BBC News online

A preliminary analysis just out suggests the new variant of Covid that has been spreading rapidly in England is no more harmful in terms of causing hospitalisations and deaths.

Researchers found no significant difference in terms of mortality or morbidity when they compared 1,769 people infected with the new variant versus 1,769 who had "regular" or "wild type" Covid. Good news indeed.

Out of those 3,538 people who caught the disease between September and December, 42 were admitted to hospital - 16 were ill with the new variant, while 26 had the wild type.

There were 12 deaths recorded among the new variant group and 10 in the wild type group within 28 days of a positive Covid test.

But, it is worth pointing out that the average age of the people included in the study was 35. Very few were over 70 – the age group at highest risk of getting very sick with Covid.

Experts will continue gathering data to better understand what threat the new strain poses to all age ranges.


Hopefully Good news. Although the 2nd last paragraph might be concerning
 
zzr45 said:
Part of the issue has been that they’ve been completely unable to communicate effectively with the public. Granted it’s been made infinitely more difficult in an age of social media and having a government made up of self serving pricks, but reports written in a way the majority will struggle to comprehend, ‘next slide please’ mentality and a lack of a coherent message (again not helped by the government) has demonstrated a big problem for me.
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If you read of the SAGE meetings, they have tried to advise the Government on its messaging and routinely ignored. And well the 5 days of Christmas debacle, that became one day, that was pure politics. Fair few other examples.

Anyway it's the Government job to gather advice from such organisations and form a policy and present it to public.
 
wainy said:
View attachment 112458So a survival rate of 97.7%? What is the mortality rate for flu Etc
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Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.
www.ons.gov.uk

Between 1 January and 31 August 2020, 52,327 deaths in England and Wales involved COVID-19. Out of these, 48,168 deaths were due to COVID-19: that is, COVID-19 was the underlying cause. This was 12.4% of all deaths for the period (389,835 deaths). In the same period 69,781 deaths involved pneumonia and 506 deaths involved influenza: out of these, 13,619 and 394 deaths were due to pneumonia and influenza respectively (3.5% and 0.1% of all deaths).

Therefore, there were 1.3 times as many deaths where influenza or pneumonia was a contributory factor than COVID-19, but COVID-19 was the underlying cause in 3.4 times as many deaths.

Of the deaths where both influenza and pneumonia, and COVID-19 were mentioned on the death certificate, the underlying cause of death was COVID-19 in 95.8% (18,642 deaths) of cases. This is compared with 0.04% (eight deaths) of deaths where influenza and pneumonia were the underlying cause of death.
 
MikelsGoat said:

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.
www.ons.gov.uk

Between 1 January and 31 August 2020, 52,327 deaths in England and Wales involved COVID-19. Out of these, 48,168 deaths were due to COVID-19: that is, COVID-19 was the underlying cause. This was 12.4% of all deaths for the period (389,835 deaths). In the same period 69,781 deaths involved pneumonia and 506 deaths involved influenza: out of these, 13,619 and 394 deaths were due to pneumonia and influenza respectively (3.5% and 0.1% of all deaths).

Therefore, there were 1.3 times as many deaths where influenza or pneumonia was a contributory factor than COVID-19, but COVID-19 was the underlying cause in 3.4 times as many deaths.

Of the deaths where both influenza and pneumonia, and COVID-19 were mentioned on the death certificate, the underlying cause of death was COVID-19 in 95.8% (18,642 deaths) of cases. This is compared with 0.04% (eight deaths) of deaths where influenza and pneumonia were the underlying cause of death.
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I’m a simpleton so forgive me, so is that saying them patients who never had covid as the underlying cause would have survived their illness? Genuinely asking btw. 8 just seems like an incredibly low figure.
 
Bollocks. Yes the lag will play a part, but the projection of being a rate of 50,000 new daily infections may be coming quicker than I was told to expect.*

*We're not there yet on the rolling seven day average.

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New variant was in Germany in November
A sign warning people to wear a mask in Germany
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German researchers say they have detected the variant in a patient who died in NovemberImage caption: German researchers say they have detected the variant in a patient who died in November
A new coronavirus strain that was first detected in the UK has been retrospectively found in an older man who died of the disease in Germany last month, health authorities say.

The ministry of health in the state of Lower Saxony said researchers from the Hannover Medical School (MHH) were "able to sequence the virus variant B1.1.7 in a person infected in November this year".

A laboratory at Berlin’s Charité hospital confirmed the MHH’s initial findings.

Apart from the patient’s daughter and wife, who recovered, there were no further infections in connection with this case, the ministry said.

“The patient's daughter had been in England in mid-November and was most likely infected with the virus there,” the ministry said.

The new coronavirus variant is thought to be more infectious than other strains. However, early analysis suggests the strain does not induce more severe symptoms.

Meanwhile, Switzerland became the latest country to identify cases of new coronavirus strains from both the UK and South Africa.
 
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