Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Dont think there is such a thing of waves with Covid - until it rips through the population around the same time and enough people have antibodies at said same time to see it wiped out then all lockdown does is stop the population getting it at the same time but by the time those who caught it in April/May have antibodies that have worn off those who catch it in Nov/Dec will have antibodies to protect them now whilst those former folk with no antibodies can essentially catch Covid again.

Until the vaccine is here its never going away so all the talk of 1st, 2nd, 3rd waves are daft imo

 

[grandjoeblue]

Covid rate in Merseyside has dropped more over the last week. Hopefully being at a really low base will stop huge growth over Christmas. Other places with a high rate are going to struggle though.

 

[Kenshin]

I’ve just asked my missus ( nurse ) mate and she says they haven’t been told either way.

Despite all they have seen, quite a few of her colleagues are on the fence about the vaccine.

What she did also say, is that they are gearing up for a third wave in January

From a clinic perspective they certainly aren't gearing up for one. Maybe hedging their bets at the minute but no planned shutdown, rather the opposite in fact which is good news for patients.

For what it's worth I think this talk of a third wave for the sake of Christmas is ridiculous. Literally 4 days and to some extent what difference will it be? Are people still not going to other houses? I'm not so sure, I reckon far more people are doing that now than 8 months ago.

You may see an increase in tier 3 areas but for those dropping massively like Liverpool, how can you spread a virus that not that many people have? Plus it's factoring in that majority of people will spend those 4 days actively going to see as many people as possible, not having any social wariness (is that a word?) AND have the virus all at the same time.

If there is a third wave then it won't be down to Christmas , it will be natural much like it was first time around and that is with masks introduced. However the likely hood of someone catching it again within a few months is quite slim to none so that chalks off quite a lot of the young and focuses back on the older and first infected, who for a lot of them, will be vaccinated within the next two months anyway.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Covid rate in Merseyside has dropped more over the last week. Hopefully being at a really low base will stop huge growth over Christmas. Other places with a high rate are going to struggle though.

I suspect also that the same suspects who were spreading it back in Oct/Nov when rates were high in Liverpool will now have antibodies.

Similiar thing in London when after the "1st Wave" infection rates were low in the one place you would expect it to rise.

6 months+ on those same folk who had it will probably no longer have antibodies hence you'll likely see Londons rates go up.

Rinse and repeat until we are vaccinated.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I suspect also that the same suspects who were spreading it back in Oct/Nov when rates were high in Liverpool will now have antibodies.

Similiar thing in London when after the "1st Wave" infection rates were low in the one place you would expect it to rise.

6 months+ on those same folk who had it will probably no longer have antibodies hence you'll likely see Londons rates go up.

Rinse and repeat until we are vaccinated.

Not really sure how it works with the antibodies. They reckon the T Cells might keep you immune for longer don't they?

Merseyside has a rate of about 90 per 100,000, even if it doubles over christmas it would still be lower than most major cities in the UK.

 

[PhilM]

The ones on the fence are just as daft as the rest of the population. Despite working in a major hospital and seeing first hand what’s going on, they’re still listening to idiots on the likes of Facebook, who know someone who’s ears dropped off the last time they had the flu jab and their kids went blind when they had the MMR.

Just because they work in a hospital don’t make the mistake of thinking they are any less daft than the rest of the population !

Ps - her brother is a GP, they’ve been told to work to a timeline of April before all the vulnerable people and over 60’s are all vaccinated.

So it looking like Easter before things start returning to any semblance of normality.

I guess that’s a perfect scenario as well because going from the current trends across Europe there's a growing number of cases per day.

If the virus really does take ahold over the next few weeks, with Christmas relaxations being a potential catalyst, resources may go that way too.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Not really sure how it works with the antibodies. They reckon the T Cells might keep you immune for longer don't they?

Merseyside has a rate of about 90 per 100,000, even if it doubles over christmas it would still be lower than most major cities in the UK.

Not sure mate - think hypothetically T Cells may make a repeated bout less likely to be severe but the fact we need a vaccine ever 6-12 months based on dwindling antibodies probably suggests without antibodies T Cells alone wont really protect you adequately enough to rule out severe infection.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Surely the vaccine will need to be annual rather than 6 monthly? Would be hard to vaccinate that many people so regularly.

 

[PhilM]

Surely the vaccine will need to be annual rather than 6 monthly? Would be hard to vaccinate that many people so regularly.

From what I’ve been told, they suspect it’ll be a minimum of annually, however they’re still not entirely sure of that - it’ll be a suck it and see situation.

There’s confidence that later or amended vaccines will offer longer protection, but again we will see.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 207 deaths were announced today (though there’s an asterisk on it due to a lack of Welsh data), down 180 on yesterday and down 31 on last Sunday. 159 deaths were in English hospitals, down 155 on yesterday and down 36 on last Sunday with 152 occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average falls to an even 333

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 144 deaths were announced today, down 376 on yesterday and down 87 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 417.86

For the 60 day cut off, 150 deaths were announced today, down 449 on yesterday and down 99 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 466.86

 

[Goat]

Surely the vaccine will need to be annual rather than 6 monthly? Would be hard to vaccinate that many people so regularly.

The end game will be it goes the way of the first SARS or mutates into a common cold.

But its very stubborn and doesn't mutate much currently, that may change once it starts struggling for hosts, currently its just infecting who it pleases.

 

[lesbattersby]

Hope they manage to get it under control mate and your grandad manages to get through it along with all the residents and staff.

Thanks

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

What does your buddy anomoly say about it man?

Kopite levels of delusion here [Poor language removed]. Never let it be forgotten that YOU were the person who first brought that clown's views onto this forum. YOU were the one who found him impartial and interesting.

 

[Kenshin]

Kopite levels of delusion here [Poor language removed]. Never let it be forgotten that YOU were the person who first brought that clown's views onto this forum. YOU were the one who found him impartial and interesting.

Hi @Moomin

You know you don't make it any less obvious it's your multi you know.

Literally typing the same message in both accounts now.

Good job.

 

[Goat]

Hi @Moomin

You know you don't make it any less obvious it's your multi you know.

Literally typing the same message in both accounts now.

Good job.

Imagine 2 different people thinking you are a moron.

For the record, its at least 3, if you include me.

I guess I'm a moomin multi as well.