Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[degsy]

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Pretty sure there was a discrepancy in that depending whether someone had two high doses or a high dose and then a low dose.

that was what I read initially (3 weeks ago-ish).

they were trying to figure out why it was down at 70ish % when someone was given 2 high doses, but up at 90 when it was a high dose then a low dose

I don’t know if that’s not changed

The half one kick starts the immune system, the full dose boosts it up

 

[davek]

The Oxford half dose / full dose gives 90% and can be stored in a domestic fridge in your doctors surgery...or a 12v 60 litre portable fridge in the back of a 4x4 for use out in the sticks
Pfizer/Moderna needs a higher tech more expensive lower temp ( -70 for Pfizer or -20 for Moderna) delivery system.

Not enough testing done on that to make it remotely accurate and has been pretty much sidelined as any guide to efficacy.

 

[davek]

And you don't think that Pfizer - in the home of Big Pharma, Big $, MAGA, etc, corners weren't cut in the race to be 1st
...and as for the russian one coming out in August??? - yeah right.

They are going to be studied by a number of regulatory agencies around the world.

Ask yourself why they would set such a high bar only to have one of them undermine their claims.

 

[BlueToff]

Its problems of storage have been over-hyped by our government who know they have to shift 100 million inferior vaccines onto the British people.

Dont believe the BS.

I mean it was Pfizer who originally outlined it

We’ve got 3 vaccines available - 4 if you count the Russian one. We’ll have access to at least two of them, possibly three. That’s good.

 

[BlueToff]

The flu jab is 60% effective
The vast majority of people hardly get impacted by covid.
If they’re the ones who get a vaccine which is 70-90% effective, then surely that’s fine?

a vaccine doesn’t make someone immune, it just means that they have the antibodies already in their system to be able to fight it off without getting really ill

 

[degsy]

Not enough testing done on that to make it remotely accurate and has been pretty much sidelined as any guide to efficacy.

They are going to be studied by a number of regulatory agencies around the world.

Ask yourself why they would set such a high bar only to have one of them undermine their claims.

Never change dave, never change.
...and you'd really take the russian one??
Even the locals don't seem too keen on it.

I'm with Joey, which ever one queenie gets, I'm in that queue

 

[ForeverBlue92]

End of the day if you was offered a vaccine at 60% efficiency back in April we would have jumped at the chance.

Im not fussed which one I get when my time comes (under 30 so will be waiting a while).

 

[COYBL25]

Not enough testing done on that to make it remotely accurate and has been pretty much sidelined as any guide to efficacy.

So, can we take it, that due to you`re ongoing agenda and political ideology, you`ll be refusing the Oxford Vaccine when your turn comes ?

I`m sure the people in charge of the vaccine role out will be most sympathetic and understanding and will make haste with a vaccine that meets your approval.

 

[Wizard]

The UK has signed up for 40 million Pfizer doses. That's all. It hasn't got them and wont for a very long time. By the time a lot of it becomes available (IF its bought by the government) vulnerable and old people will be getting the inferior Oxford vaccine.

Guess who wont be geting the Oxford vaccine but the more efficacious vaccines? The rich and the powerful and the well connected.


You spread the risk, yes. But when one of the vaccines shows up to be so inferior to all others thus far you then go with the other vaccines you've secured. You dont go on to vaccinate the bulk of your population with the worst vaccine, do you?

So rather than using what seems to be a pretty solid vaccine on a lot of the population that aren't seriously vulnerable we should wait until we can secure at least another 100m vaccines from either Pfizer or Moderna? Which as you say yourself "will take a very long time". This isn't a sensible plan.

 

[davek]

Never change dave, never change.
...and you'd really take the russian one??
Even the locals don't seem too keen on it.

I'm with Joey, which ever one queenie gets, I'm in that queue

I'd inject Vladivar Vodka into me rather than that rubbish British vaccine.

 

[wm02]

I was asked if I am allergic to eggs yesterday, cos the flu jab has egg stuff in it.

Two years in a row, my middle son got a really strong allergic reaction to his flu shot and this was the question everyone asked us. Fella eats an egg a day with no issues

 

[davek]

So, can we take it, that due to you`re ongoing agenda and political ideology, you`ll be refusing the Oxford Vaccine when your turn comes ?

I`m sure the people in charge of the vaccine role out will be most sympathetic and understanding and will make haste with a vaccine that meets your approval.

The point is that we'll get what we're given. It's not a matter of refusal. Those who have money to shop around will always find a private practice that'll vaccinate them with the more efficacious vaccines. The rest of us will be told the Oxford vaccine is 'still a good vaccine'...just not as good as the others.

 

[Kenshin]

Blimey. Never saw that coming. Allergic reactions to a drug that's been quickly created and approved without long term trials...

Kids can't get the flu shot if they have an allergy to eggs as they ask me every year.

I think the key word is serious allergies. I doubt hayfever or something like it comes under serious allergies lol

 

[davek]

So rather than using what seems to be a pretty solid vaccine on a lot of the population that aren't seriously vulnerable we should wait until we can secure at least another 100m vaccines from either Pfizer or Moderna? Which as you say yourself "will take a very long time". This isn't a sensible plan.

No, we should have the circa 12 Million at risk / over 65s with access only to the better vaccines. That wont happen though. They may say they've committed to 40 million doses of Pfizer, but the Oxford vaccine will be getting rolled out way before anything like that figure is secured.

The upshot is that north Americans and those living in the EU will be seeing their at risk populations better protected than ours.

 

[COYBL25]

The point is that we'll get what we're given. It's not a matter of refusal. Those who have money to shop around will always find a private practice that'll vaccinate them with the more efficacious vaccines. The rest of us will be told the Oxford vaccine is 'still a good vaccine'...just not as good as the others.

Oxford vaccine, will you take it Yes or No.

Thanks.