Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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She was wearing two surgical masks on top of each other too..its just so weird, kills all the joy for life for all of us. i'm more empath than furious, mind.
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So someone wearing a mask and gloves kills the joy for you, while someone you know who is not an anti-vaxxer won't take the vaccine you don't have an issue with????

Seems rather strange from me.
 
roydo said:
Same here. A few days ago it was unstable/useless if it wasnt dispensed within a few hours of defrosting. Now it can be kept in a fridge for 5 days.

Guess all we can do is trust the medics and clever folk.
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This really. It will arrive when it arrives and when I get told to turn up I shall be there and trust that everything is OK....
 
Nymzee said:
I have a weird thing with needles where the feeling doesn’t bother me but I can’t watch it go in and I can’t watch bloody being drawn. I also (and this sounds insane) always feel like I can hear my bloody being pulled out of me so I won’t ever given blood. Freak me out.

Would have no issues with COVID vaccine though ignoring the inevitable day or two of feeling bloody awful after it.
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Yeah, the blood actually screams as if in pain as millions of little Nymzee’s are ripped out of your body...thought for the day......
 
BlueToff said:
But tbf Dave, this virus doesn't really impact all that many people in terms of genuine illness.

As long as the vaccines (plural) do their job and give protection, then that's fine. If NHS workers and vulnerable groups get the Pfizer one, for example, and then people my age with no underlying issues have to get one which is slightly less effective, but more easily accessible, then where's the harm.

Plus, even if it's 75% (which is the low end of their scale as it goes to 90% when dosed differently), that's still more protection than the flu jab offers, which is surely the most widely administered vaccine every year.

We're the first country to be rolling out the vaccine, one way or the other. I'm not saying that that is the government or Britain being great or whatever, but it's happening. that's a positive. 400,000 people (obviously assuming no waste which isn't gonna happen but anyway) could well be vaccinated in this country in just over a weeks' time. How is that a bad thing?
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1/ (and underlined on many occasions) the virus can impact anyone of any age. If it doesn't kill too many below the age of 50 it can certainly wreck the health of the youngest groups.

2/ with two shots required I believe there'll be a struggle to get all those in the vulnerable groups (age and underlying conditions) categories and NHS and care workers the Pfizer vaccine. It's about 6 million (x2 = 12 million shots). I dont believe for a second this lot have secured 40 million doses or anywhere like it. The demand worldwide will be off the charts. So we'll struggle to get a 95% efficacious vaccine administered soon to those groups.

3/ 95% immunity is a hell of a difference to 75%.

4/ The British regulator may have passed it, but any body that comes into contact with this governmet I will consider with a sceptical eye - how could we not after the SAGE performance? I'll wait for the green light to be given by the EU vaccination regulators.
 
davek said:
1/ (and underlined on many occasions) the virus can impact anyone of any age. If it doesn't kill too many below the age of 50 it can certainly wreck the health of the youngest groups.

2/ with two shots required I believe there'll be a struggle to get all those in the vulnerable groups (age and underlying conditions) categories and NHS and care workers the Pfizer vaccine. It's about 6 million (x2 = 12 million shots). I dont believe for a second this lot have secured 40 million doses or anywhere like it. The demand worldwide will be off the charts. So we'll struggle to get a 95% efficacious vaccine administered soon to those groups.

3/ 95% immunity is a hell of a difference to 75%.

4/ The British regulator may have passed it, but any body that comes into contact with this governmet I will consider with a sceptical eye - how could we not after the SAGE performance? I'll wait for the green light to be given by the EU vaccination regulators.
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1 - the overwhelming evidence is that this does not do any long-term damage to the vast majority of younger groups. Some people might get ill for a few days, but no worse than any other bug. It would be very, very rare for a healthy 25-year-old to get this and end up in hospital

2 - but there are three vaccines, two of them are more effective. So we could secure Pfizer and Moderna and it will be a slow process, but at least there are two options. The Oxford one isn’t a cock up, I don’t know why you are insistent on believing that. It’ll do the job too.

3 - but the reason they are still checking the Oxford vaccine is to find out why it differs in its effectiveness when dosed differently

4 - I’m pretty sure I saw one of our chief medical officers say that the vaccine was passed using EU mechanisms which are still available to us until January. also, the entirety of Europe is in semi-lockdown too so I don’t see why they have handled this so much better - they haven’t, everywhere in the continent is struggling
 
Moomin said:
So someone wearing a mask and gloves kills the joy for you, while someone you know who is not an anti-vaxxer won't take the vaccine you don't have an issue with????

Seems rather strange from me.
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mate do I look like a right wing person? you realise my position on political spectrum, checking other threads. indeed with this pandemic ring wingers manipulated a lot of things and made life difficult for us. but for me, what I post in here re this disease and its impact is purely emotional. I have no agenda and talk very personal most often than not. Also, i never wanted to kill any person. Its peace of mind I demand and I dont have it it since March. Nothing else really. Please know that.
 
grandjoeblue said:
Long covid typically lasts for a few weeks which is similar to a bad flu isn't it?
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If you discount the made up symptoms such as stress and anxiety as that isn't really the same as lung scarring for example, a lot of the long covid symptoms match up with pneumonia.

That does seem to be what puts people in hospital, pneumonia as a result of covid. I'll be interested in reading about that in the future when they have a better idea of why covid triggers pneumonia in particular cases under 60.
 
Kenshin said:
If you discount the made up symptoms such as stress and anxiety as that isn't really the same as lung scarring for example, a lot of the long covid symptoms match up with pneumonia.

That does seem to be what puts people in hospital, pneumonia as a result of covid. I'll be interested in reading about that in the future when they have a better idea of why covid triggers pneumonia in particular cases under 60.
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It's a new Virus, will be a few years till we know the full extent of the damage it has done to peoples organs.

Covid attacks the respiratory system weakens the lungs to infections like Pneumonia and clots in the body.

Pneumomia can also be caused by Flu.
 
Moomin said:
It's a new Virus, will be a few years till we know the full extent of the damage it has done to peoples organs.

Covid attacks the respiratory system weakens the lungs to infections like Pneumonia and clots in the body.

Pneumomia can also be caused by Flu.
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yes but everyone who got pneumonia, flu and organ damage was better for it afterwards, unlike the people who wore masks, whose immune systems collapsed when they ate a yogurt
 
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