Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Sorry, but can you explain your reasoning to me, as I’m just not getting how the English are to blame for the fact that it’s all gone tits up in Wales again ?

Especially seeing as the English weren’t allowed into Wales other than for work etc during the “ firebreak “

because the welsh lockdown ended before the English one did - Welsh shops, restaurants and pubs were open and English people did go to them (even though they weren't allowed)

 

[roydo]

because the welsh lockdown ended before the English one did - Welsh shops, restaurants and pubs were open and English people did go to them (even though they weren't allowed)

You do know that plenty of English folk live in Wales? Or did you ask every non Welsh sounding person where they lived?

And I very much doubt that anyone from, say, Bristol, decided to drive to Neath or Swansea for a pint and to buy some paint.

 

[orchard]

You do know that plenty of English folk live in Wales? Or did you ask every non Welsh sounding person where they lived?

And I very much doubt that anyone from, say, Bristol, decided to drive to Neath or Swansea for a pint and to buy some paint.

The police stopped and recorded plenty, some were from Essex.

 

[duncs pigeon]

because the welsh lockdown ended before the English one did - Welsh shops, restaurants and pubs were open and English people did go to them (even though they weren't allowed)

It worked both ways mate, people travelling

the lockdown worked; the problem was that Wales opened whilst England was closed and so a lot of people came to shop and spread diseases. If Johnson had done what Drakeford did when he did it, neither country would be in the state it’s in

Agree with most of this mate, but when the pubs opened in England after the first lockdown certain places were like a mini Wales with people travelling over the border. Think Drakeford has done a brilliant job tbf.

 

[tsubaki]

Be interested in your working out on that one.

And I dont mean you or a mate seeing folk in one border town the other day.

Yes, its so much of a made up problem that the police in Wales have dedicated patrols to stop people travelling across the border. Broughton Retail Park (which is where I mentioned earlier) is busier than it has been for ages.

 

[roydo]

The police stopped and recorded plenty, some were from Essex.

Plenty? Really?

We have had posters on here saying the police were doing zilch. And I seriously doubt someone in Essex is going to drive for 4 hours for a pint in Wales.

 

[roydo]

Yes, its so much of a made up problem that the police in Wales have dedicated patrols to stop people travelling across the border. Broughton Retail Park (which is where I mentioned earlier) is busier than it has been for ages.

So if the police are stopping English folk, its busy cos the Welsh are Christmas shopping?

You cant have it both ways. You stated, quite firmly, that the spike in infections was cos of the English. Now, if all the rise is confined to border town areas, that would be convincing. If not, then well, maybe its closer to home.

 

[tsubaki]

So if the police are stopping English folk, its busy cos the Welsh are Christmas shopping?

You cant have it both ways. You stated, quite firmly, that the spike in infections was cos of the English. Now, if all the rise is confined to border town areas, that would be convincing. If not, then well, maybe its closer to home.

Not sure that first bit makes any sense; the police don't generally run burglary patrols when there isn't a burglary problem for example.

As for the second bit, that is sort of what we see in the data - in a country as divided by geography as Wales is we generally don't move around the country that much and the area where infections are rising the most are either the border counties (in the North, Wrexham and Flintshire, in the South Newport and Blaenau Gwent) or the places to which its easiest to get to from England (Cardiff and Swansea).

 

[roydo]

Not sure that first bit makes any sense; the police don't generally run burglary patrols when there isn't a burglary problem for example.

As for the second bit, that is sort of what we see in the data - in a country as divided by geography as Wales is we generally don't move around the country that much and the area where infections are rising the most are either the border counties (in the North, Wrexham and Flintshire, in the South Newport and Blaenau Gwent) or the places to which its easiest to get to from England (Cardiff and Swansea).

Or where most Welsh people live.

Pembrokeshire and Cardigan have had big spikes, (relatively), as has Merther, (sic).

I dont want to fall out with you, but I did take exception to the "Its the English at fault" dig. Last time I looked, we are the United Kingdom, (for now anyrate). The local news down here reported that police on the Severn Bridge were monitoring travel OUT of Wales into England early in your lockdown.

 

[davek]

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[tsubaki]

Or where most Welsh people live.

Pembrokeshire and Cardigan have had big spikes, (relatively), as has Merther, (sic).

I dont want to fall out with you, but I did take exception to the "Its the English at fault" dig. Last time I looked, we are the United Kingdom, (for now anyrate). The local news down here reported that police on the Severn Bridge were monitoring travel OUT of Wales into England early in your lockdown.

... which is pretty circular logic given that you'd said we wouldn't see that if the border wasn't an issue.

I don't want to fall out with anyone either, but the way that the lockdown was breached was so obvious and so blatant that I am not sure that saying it happened is sufficient grounds for people to be outraged by it.

 

[COYBL25]

Yes, its so much of a made up problem that the police in Wales have dedicated patrols to stop people travelling across the border. Broughton Retail Park (which is where I mentioned earlier) is busier than it has been for ages.

Yet there were loads of photos of people going nuts in Welsh town centres when the firebreak was lifted

Or where they English too ??

As far as I`m aware under the firebreak rules, Welsh people weren`t allowed to travel into England and vice versa ( please correct me if I`m wrong )

I`m really not getting your " it`s the fault of the English " stance tbh.

 

[tsubaki]

Yet there were loads of photos of people going nuts in Welsh town centres when the firebreak was lifted

Or where they English too ??

there were - is there any reason to believe that some of them weren't English?

 

[Blues Harp]

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Quantitive easing or government "borrowing?

(we bailed the banks out in 2008 using the former...a crisis helped by people such as our "Rich" chancellor when he worked for Goldman/Sachs)

 

[COYBL25]

there were - is there any reason to believe that some of them weren't English?

Mate, you are one of the most sensible, sound posters on here, but this " it`s all the fault of the English " is just nuts.