Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

The situation in retail at the moment is very, very grim and now you’re going to have another 15,000 on the scrapheap all fighting for minimum wage jobs just to survive.

This (the downward pressure on wages and conditions caused by people fighting for jobs during an economic crisis) is of course most of the reason why a lot of the rich wanted Brexit.

That it’s being disguised and made worse with this pandemic is even better for them.

 

[Kenshin]

People will attack the government for this but it's a great plan.

Because people will do it anyway. Virus or not people will spend Christmas with their families and even if you told them not to, short of police patrols on Christmas day it's going to happen.

As beuracratic as it may be , it's also more likely to have a much more obedient approach. If the government say you can see people at Christmas then great, just go back to normal a few days after. The majority of people who follow the rules will adhere to them.

And at the end of the day, having a few days break from covid restrictions is not going to plunge the country back into a lockdown, people don't have family gatherings of like 50 people and it will save far more lives than abandoning people at home alone at the one time of the year it's proven that can have a fatal effect on them.

 

[peteblue]

I watched a three part series on iPlayer called ‘saving Britain’s Pubs’ the other night. It showed the difficulties for a couple owned village free house, a town Pubco tenants, a London leaseholder and a Scottish community owned pub (the only one in the area). All facing different difficulties, the village pub couple drawing £75 per week each, the Pubco tenants making a profit of £3K per year, the London leaseholder barely paying her bills and the Community pub only just getting going. All of them putting in incredible hours to provide a service. A chap who leases 3 successful pubs was advising them on how to improve. He had one pub that was a butchers during the day and a pub at night. It showed the building work or refurbishments they all had to do, while keeping a business going, and it’s progress.

Then the first Lockdown came along, together with the real tears. The timing for the village pub couldn’t have been worse. It was heartbreaking. However, the village pub opened up a small shop and looked after the needs of the village, the Pubco tenants started doing takeaway food and the London leaseholder after initially just locking up, brought herself back to upgrade the furniture etc and the community people threw themselves into refurb.

The series finished with the first Lockdown coming to an end and the joy of reopening. I don’t know if they have a second series in the pipeline, but the second lockdown and now this tier system may well send one or two over the edge. I hope they make it as they have thrown everything they have at keeping something going for their communities.....

 

[Brennan]

People will attack the government for this but it's a great plan.

Because people will do it anyway. Virus or not people will spend Christmas with their families and even if you told them not to, short of police patrols on Christmas day it's going to happen.

As beuracratic as it may be , it's also more likely to have a much more obedient approach. If the government say you can see people at Christmas then great, just go back to normal a few days after. The majority of people who follow the rules will adhere to them.

And at the end of the day, having a few days break from covid restrictions is not going to plunge the country back into a lockdown, people don't have family gatherings of like 50 people and it will save far more lives than abandoning people at home alone at the one time of the year it's proven that can have a fatal effect on them.

That’s nonsense. A lockdown in January will be inevitable from this.

 

[COYBL25]

People will attack the government for this but it's a great plan.

Because people will do it anyway. Virus or not people will spend Christmas with their families and even if you told them not to, short of police patrols on Christmas day it's going to happen.

As beuracratic as it may be , it's also more likely to have a much more obedient approach. If the government say you can see people at Christmas then great, just go back to normal a few days after. The majority of people who follow the rules will adhere to them.

And at the end of the day, having a few days break from covid restrictions is not going to plunge the country back into a lockdown, people don't have family gatherings of like 50 people and it will save far more lives than abandoning people at home alone at the one time of the year it's proven that can have a fatal effect on them.

A Dads Army of volunteers are bring recruited in every area to police this.

The idea is that they ride around on bikes, with a megaphone, peering in through windows and if they spot any breaches, they scream MURDERERS through the megaphone at them.

There’s also discussion as to whether they should be given the power to paint a red cross on the offenders doors, so summary justice can be severed upon them later.

 

[COYBL25]

I watched a three part series on iPlayer called ‘saving Britain’s Pubs’ the other night. It showed the difficulties for a couple owned village free house, a town Pubco tenants, a London leaseholder and a Scottish community owned pub (the only one in the area). All facing different difficulties, the village pub couple drawing £75 per week each, the Pubco tenants making a profit of £3K per year, the London leaseholder barely paying her bills and the Community pub only just getting going. All of them putting in incredible hours to provide a service. A chap who leases 3 successful pubs was advising them on how to improve. He had one pub that was a butchers during the day and a pub at night. It showed the building work or refurbishments they all had to do, while keeping a business going, and it’s progress.

Then the first Lockdown came along, together with the real tears. The timing for the village pub couldn’t have been worse. It was heartbreaking. However, the village pub opened up a small shop and looked after the needs of the village, the Pubco tenants started doing takeaway food and the London leaseholder after initially just locking up, brought herself back to upgrade the furniture etc and the community people threw themselves into refurb.

The series finished with the first Lockdown coming to an end and the joy of reopening. I don’t know if they have a second series in the pipeline, but the second lockdown and now this tier system may well send one or two over the edge. I hope they make it as they have thrown everything they have at keeping something going for their communities.....

It was very well put together and very emotive.

Hopefully it changed a few minds about licensees all being pedlars of death.

 

[roydo]

It was very well put together and very emotive.

Hopefully it changed a few minds about licensees all being pedlars of death.

Was that the series with that chef from Gloucester? Paul Kerridge or sommet?

If so, it was very very good.

 

[COYBL25]

Was that the series with that chef from Gloucester? Paul Kerridge or sommet?

If so, it was very very good.

Yep, a corner pub in London, a rural pub in Cornwall, a community pub in Scotland and a music pub in Gloucester.

Non deserving to be SHUT DOWN from what I saw.

 

[summerisle]

About time.

 

[Kenshin]

That’s nonsense. A lockdown in January will be inevitable from this.

I disagree.

I don't think the slightest variation from lockdown type measures automatically infects millions of people in the space of a few days.

I do think holding everything that literal changes nothing. Same as having a meal with a pint is fine but no meal and a pint is dangerous for one of many examples.

I think maybe the common sense approach to people seeing each other for the first time in months for the majority will take effect and people will still look to protect themselves.

I think the thousands of people who have recently had the virus won't be spreading it around as they will be virus free and safe to visit.

4 days to celebrate with family that most of us haven't seen in months. If you really think the country will grind to a halt of 4 days when it took 4 months to get to lockdown level of cases then that is a little extreme.

 

[BlueStevie35]

About time.

Finally police standing up for themselves against these idiots

 

[roydo]

Covid-19: Bristol City's Ashton Gate Stadium planned as vaccination HQ

NHS papers reveal the stadium in south Bristol would act as centre for regional programme.

www.bbc.co.uk

Good to see plans behind the scenes. I assume every Trust is doing similar.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

These vaccines then - when it says 60-90% effective does that mean in stopping covid all together or just the seriousness of the effects.

Assuming we go with the oxford vaccine thats around 60-70% it would still see a good number reported as dying per day when you consider we are getting 400-500 a day reported whilst having been in lockdown for 4 weeks.

Shame we didnt order 100 million doses of Pfizer know their stuff do Pfizer.

 

[Brennan]

I disagree.

I don't think the slightest variation from lockdown type measures automatically infects millions of people in the space of a few days.

I do think holding everything that literal changes nothing. Same as having a meal with a pint is fine but no meal and a pint is dangerous for one of many examples.

I think maybe the common sense approach to people seeing each other for the first time in months for the majority will take effect and people will still look to protect themselves.

I think the thousands of people who have recently had the virus won't be spreading it around as they will be virus free and safe to visit.

4 days to celebrate with family that most of us haven't seen in months. If you really think the country will grind to a halt of 4 days when it took 4 months to get to lockdown level of cases then that is a little extreme.

Do you have any science to back up your belief that having bubbles of eight people spending up to a week in each other’s houses won’t significantly increase virus spread ?

Because there is plenty to suggest it will.

 

[Leylo]

These vaccines then - when it says 60-90% effective does that mean in stopping covid all together or just the seriousness of the effects.

Assuming we go with the oxford vaccine thats around 60-70% it would still see a good number reported as dying per day when you consider we are getting 400-500 a day reported whilst having been in lockdown for 4 weeks.

Shame we didnt order 100 million doses of Pfizer know their stuff do Pfizer.

It will work ,in the end it will create a herd type amunity it just won't be able to spread all over the place and should basically burn itself out imo