Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

Which still doesn't change the fact it's a pandemic and we all have to follow rules , wear masks and worry about one another.

Not addressing my post at all there. Whether all deaths are 70-years old, 20-years old or 5-years old. Whether all deaths are from COVID, cancer or pneumonia. Excess deaths being well above average means the last 9 months haven’t been an overreaction as you’ve put it.

 

[Kenshin]

you see it’s this thinking that is absolutely mental to me.

My mum is over 60 and have a number it underlying health conditions. It’s like in your head that it’s not as serious because it’s only people like her that will be dying.

You know, once you hit 60, it’s unlikely that you don’t have an underlying health condition. It’s what happens with age.

so what you are really saying is f*** old people.

No I'm not saying f old people.

What I did there is share a fact. It's not saying kill all old people, it's not saying no-one under that age group can't die of it. It's not saying anything other than a fact.

Why you suddenly get a different meaning from that I have no idea.

 

[Kenshin]

Not addressing my post at all there. Whether all deaths are 70-years old, 20-years old or 5-years old. Whether all deaths are from COVID, cancer or pneumonia. Excess deaths being well above average means the last 9 months haven’t been an overreaction as you’ve put it.

Shouting excess deaths over and over is bordering on insanity at this point.

Of course there is excess deaths , it's a bloody pandemic. If there wasn't 'excess deaths ' then it wouldn't be a pandemic now would it?

You think typing excess deaths at me is making a point but really you are stating the bleeding obvious.

 

[Nymzee]

Shouting excess deaths over and over is bordering on insanity at this point.

Of course there is excess deaths , it's a bloody pandemic. If there wasn't 'excess deaths ' then it wouldn't be a pandemic now would it?

You think typing excess deaths at me is making a point but really you are stating the bleeding obvious.

Well then how is it an overreaction if their are excessive excess deaths? You’re still not answering the question.

How you’re still consistently posting wham in here after 9 months is beyond belief. Funniest part is you’re apparently married with kids etc. because otherwise I’d have pegged you down as about 15.

 

[Kenshin]

Ok right were do I start, I've had 2 parents with cancer through this pandemic 1 just died the other about to right my kids students we've saw with our own eyes what's been happening in hospitals its like a war zone people with the virus and without ,consultants making life and death decisions. Acting like god to a point because it's at breaking point. People trying to get a glimpse of their loved ones through hostpital windows because they can't go in ive saw it all mate done it. Well in 20 years will students remember it too bloody right because they've probably lost a grandparent or parent at the time or knows someone who did. It will go down in history oh yes no one will forget I'm sure .this is a terrible virus killing over 50000 people up to know don't just dismiss it .

I'm sorry to hear that but it doesn't really connect to what I was saying.

All of this going on, people aren't seeing that under a certain age. These are the ones who are out partying and being locked in student halls afterwards. These are kids who aren't having parents die from the virus. These are teenagers who make fun of the virus on tik Tok or whatever platform is popular right now.

If you think younger generations are going to grow up and talk about the hospital's and the deaths then you are sadly mistaken. They will talk about everywhere shutting , they will talk about how they weren't ever in danger because that is the truth.

Unless you want to compare 14 year olds with 44 year olds in terms of mindsets , if young people aren't experiencing things as which you speak of , why would that be their takeaway from it?

 

[mill]

No I'm not saying f old people.

What I did there is share a fact. It's not saying kill all old people, it's not saying no-one under that age group can't die of it. It's not saying anything other than a fact.

Why you suddenly get a different meaning from that I have no idea.

You are saying that history will look back at this as no big deal because it’s only old people and people with underlying medical conditions who are dying (leaving aside the wider impact of the virus. We are just talking deaths alone).

The mortality rate is c1% for those who get it.

If everyone gets it once then that’s 700k people.

However that includes low risk people too. It’s the fallacy of composition. For those 50+ the mortality rate is 8% minimum.

Over a third of the population is over 50. Left to it’s own devices that’s a minimum of 2m deaths (based on the 8% mortality rate - it’s much higher for over 60s and 70s). Ignoring the fact that everyone would be getting it at the same time.

What do you think that would do to health services? To the care for other health issues? To the economy? To mental health?

You have continually downplayed how dangerous this is. Over the course of this pandemic you have continually made out it’s not as serious as it is.

The fact is, lockdown is required. Because without it, without some of the measures in place, the country would be brought to its knees. If left alone it would destroy the economy, the health service and I’d wager allowing 2m people to die would probably have a significant effect on mental health.

That’s ignoring the long term impact of this virus. It’s just focusing on mortality rate for the various different demographics.

But you know, it’s only old people and sick people so history won’t see it as a big deal.

 

[Kenshin]

Well then how is it an overreaction if their are excessive excess deaths? You’re still not answering the question.

How you’re still consistently posting wham in here after 9 months is beyond belief. Funniest part is you’re apparently married with kids etc. because otherwise I’d have pegged you down as about 15.

What wham is this now? You replied to a post of mine stating a fact and here you are saying I'm talking wham.

Yet again you are trying with the childish insults , the dismissive attitude and the outright pathetic posting style that is cumulative of throwing in something to try and get a reaction such as worked up , losing their head etc.

In fact you haven't replied to my post or the content in it, you have , like I say typed excess deaths and not really gone further than that. It's juvenile postings that I have come to expect from you at this point. My post says future generations and your reply is excess deaths over and over , go figure.

 

[Nymzee]

What wham is this now? You replied to a post of mine stating a fact and here you are saying I'm talking wham.

Yet again you are trying with the childish insults , the dismissive attitude and the outright pathetic posting style that is cumulative of throwing in something to try and get a reaction such as worked up , losing their head etc.

In fact you haven't replied to my post or the content in it, you have , like I say typed excess deaths and not really gone further than that. It's juvenile postings that I have come to expect from you at this point. My post says future generations and your reply is excess deaths over and over , go figure.

But you yourself think this is an overreaction and your posting history heavily backs that up. All I’m asking is how can you, or future generations (A.K.A. me), call it an overreaction when excess deaths are significantly higher than the 5 year average?

I only tag my posts off with insults to you because you’re an idiot.

 

[Kenshin]

You are saying that history will look back at this as no big deal because it’s only old people and people with underlying medical conditions who are dying (leaving aside the wider impact of the virus. We are just talking deaths alone).

The mortality rate is c1% for those who get it.

If everyone gets it once then that’s 700k people.

However that includes low risk people too. It’s the fallacy of composition. For those 50+ the mortality rate is 8% minimum.

Over a third of the population is over 50. Left to it’s own devices that’s a minimum of 2m deaths (based on the 8% mortality rate - it’s much higher for over 60s and 70s). Ignoring the fact that everyone would be getting it at the same time.

What do you think that would do to health services? To the care for other health issues? To the economy? To mental health?

You have continually downplayed how dangerous this is. Over the course of this pandemic you have continually made out it’s not as serious as it is.

The fact is, lockdown is required. Because without it, without some of the measures in place, the country would be brought to its knees. If left alone it would destroy the economy, the health service and I’d wager allowing 2m people to die would probably have a significant effect on mental health.

That’s ignoring the long term impact of this virus. It’s just focusing on mortality rate for the various different demographics.

But you know, it’s only old people and sick people so history won’t see it as a big deal.

But I haven't downplayed anything.

I've said multiple times how I follow rules, wear a mask 8 hours a day now, don't go anywhere or see people etc. Hell here is another fact about me you didn't know before, I ran a mental health service at the height of the first lockdown for nurses and doctors who needed a break from the wards.

Why on earth would I do all of that if I was downplaying anything?

And my posting history calls for wearing masks everywhere, supporting the idea of a lockdown , have supported the first lockdown , suggesting ways to protecting those vunerable etc.

So at what point am I downplaying things?

 

[Leylo]

I'm sorry to hear that but it doesn't really connect to what I was saying.

All of this going on, people aren't seeing that under a certain age. These are the ones who are out partying and being locked in student halls afterwards. These are kids who aren't having parents die from the virus. These are teenagers who make fun of the virus on tik Tok or whatever platform is popular right now.

If you think younger generations are going to grow up and talk about the hospital's and the deaths then you are sadly mistaken. They will talk about everywhere shutting , they will talk about how they weren't ever in danger because that is the truth.

Unless you want to compare 14 year olds with 44 year olds in terms of mindsets , if young people aren't experiencing things as which you speak of , why would that be their takeaway from it?

Your views change as you get older like the young ones now will, just like in world wars kids got shipped out to farms in wales they still know what happened in the war . Same thing!

 

[Kenshin]

But you yourself think this is an overreaction and your posting history heavily backs that up. All I’m asking is how can you, or future generations (A.K.A. me), call it an overreaction when excess deaths are significantly higher than the 5 year average?

I only tag my posts off with insults to you because you’re an idiot.

And another childish insult! Wow, that's the level you very quickly go to when someone doesn't agree with you it seems.

As I said to your man above, what part of my posting history says this? I'll quote what I said to him also

I've said multiple times how I follow rules, wear a mask 8 hours a day now, don't go anywhere or see people etc. Hell here is another fact about me you didn't know before, I ran a mental health service at the height of the first lockdown for nurses and doctors who needed a break from the wards.

Why on earth would I do all of that if I was downplaying anything?

And my posting history calls for wearing masks everywhere, supporting the idea of a lockdown , have supported the first lockdown , suggesting ways to protecting those vunerable etc.

What part of my posting history suggests what you are saying?

Also you aren't future generations , unless you are 18 (which would explain a lot) then you aren't the generations I speak of. Which you are falling into this now ridiculous viewpoint that everyone shares the same opinion as you no matter what.

The same nymzee that lives alone , is single, works from home , spends most of their time on the internet and has a social bubble with his mum.

How on earth can someone have a different viewpoint as me ? Best get online and call them an idiot or refuse to apologise for making an insensitive joke so my internet points aren't affected.

If you really think kids now will share your opinion 20 years from now then you are quite deluded mate.

 

[PhilM]

You are saying that history will look back at this as no big deal because it’s only old people and people with underlying medical conditions who are dying (leaving aside the wider impact of the virus. We are just talking deaths alone).

The whole they’re only old logic really worries me. Replace 'old' with 'Jewish', 'black', 'disabled' or any group and would their perspective still stand?

 

[Nymzee]

And another childish insult! Wow, that's the level you very quickly go to when someone doesn't agree with you it seems.

As I said to your man above, what part of my posting history says this? I'll quote what I said to him also



What part of my posting history suggests what you are saying?

Also you aren't future generations , unless you are 18 (which would explain a lot) then you aren't the generations I speak of. Which you are falling into this now ridiculous viewpoint that everyone shares the same opinion as you no matter what.

The same nymzee that lives alone , is single, works from home , spends most of their time on the internet and has a social bubble with his mum.

How on earth can someone have a different viewpoint as me ? Best get online and call them an idiot or refuse to apologise for making an insensitive joke so my internet points aren't affected.

If you really think kids now will share your opinion 20 years from now then you are quite deluded mate.

Did kids during the war grow up to only remember the rationing & evacuating and not the deaths?

Why would 18-year olds not grow up remembering only the closed pubs & restaurants and not the deaths? That’s essentially what you’re saying. You also said in 10-20 years time; in 10 years time I’ve not even left my 30’s so yes I’m in the “young generation” you speak of.

You act like I’m coming after you here but you made a post that no one has agreed with and several posters have taken offence to.

Also, not sure how you can call me childish or insulting when you try come at me for living on my own and social bubbling with my parents lol

 

[davek]

It's actually quite handy, especially in Corona conversations with my other half.

Most discussions can be wrapped up promptly by assertively giving it a "SHUT THEM DOWN AND KEEP THEM SHUT" before eyeballing the other person as they know a disagreement will confirm that they are murderous pond life.

It's the only way to conduct a rational conversation.

 

[Nymzee]

The whole they’re only old logic really worries me. Replace 'old' with 'Jewish', 'black', 'disabled' or any group and would their perspective still stand?

“They would have died soon anyway” is a worrying one I read online quite often.