Mental. Absolutely mental.
How anyone can not at least say the way governments/authorities have gone about this thing is atrocious is beyond me. I think you can believe that and still also acknowledge how serious the situation is.
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Mental. Absolutely mental.
How anyone can not at least say the way governments/authorities have gone about this thing is atrocious is beyond me. I think you can believe that and still also acknowledge how serious the situation is.
Diogenes the Cynic
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Either something is a risk or it isn't. Either you want to halt the virus or you don't.
Shutting bars, shops and gyms while leaving schools open is just nonsense. Students and schools are spreading this virus like wildfire.
@davek got a lot of stick but he's absolutely right.
Shut them down and keep them shut. If its got to be a lockdown then shut it all down. Why keep open one of the major spreading environments for the virus?
Shutting bars, shops and gyms while leaving schools open is just nonsense. Students and schools are spreading this virus like wildfire.
@davek got a lot of stick but he's absolutely right.
Shut them down and keep them shut. If its got to be a lockdown then shut it all down. Why keep open one of the major spreading environments for the virus?
You can oppose govs and their laws/regs but you can also not set fire to things.
Yeh obviously a two-sided coin and what those idiots are doing isn't right. At the end of the day if it's about saving lives then it has to be done.
But imagine saying this time next year there'd be continental-wide curfews and lockdowns etc etc and governments across Europe - in some countries - would be running them with an iron fist.
It's mental.
Well it's too late to shut the unis now, because all that does is haul a load of students back around the country. They should never have been opened to begin with.
Schools are different though - kids need to be in education. They were right to open them up in some capacity, but there were other options they could have taken to negate the impact (i.e. make masks mandatory quicker, or perhaps reduce capacity so it is certain year groups in on certain days).
There were options rather than kids losing two years of their education. It's not right.
And have they shut schools in any other country? I don't know, so it's a genuine question.
Btw, I imagine schools will shut, but they may coincide it closer to the Christmas holidays, which may end up being 4 or 5 weeks this year.
'KEEP THEM SHUT' is such a daft statement because lockdown and shutting everything down is no solution. They should be using this time to get track and trace fully up and running (it does seem to be getting there) so lockdown isn't needed again in the new year.
That won't be the case though.
Kenshin
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Am I right in saying this.
The financial scheme for people for over winter announced back in September was followed with advice that the winter would be extremely tough financially , ergo the plan wasn't going to be effective for people.
That the tier system would be the best way forward and then the next day whittey and the science community said the tier system wouldn't work.
We have gone into lockdown for 4 weeks and absolutely only 4 weeks according to Boris. Day later gove is on TV saying it may be longer than 4 weeks.
It seems every step of the way recently every government plan has almost immediately been followed up telling us it won't work, by the government themselves.
Complete joke
The financial scheme for people for over winter announced back in September was followed with advice that the winter would be extremely tough financially , ergo the plan wasn't going to be effective for people.
That the tier system would be the best way forward and then the next day whittey and the science community said the tier system wouldn't work.
We have gone into lockdown for 4 weeks and absolutely only 4 weeks according to Boris. Day later gove is on TV saying it may be longer than 4 weeks.
It seems every step of the way recently every government plan has almost immediately been followed up telling us it won't work, by the government themselves.
Complete joke
Catfish Blues
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20% is a consensus estimate, no-one really knows the true number and, in reality, it'll vary widely across labs in the world. There was a paper in the Lancet a few weeks ago, and I think the likely spread was something like between 3 and 33% for false negatives and between .2 and 2% for false positives.
Might have been you I said it to before, but the false negative rate is why "important" people who've tested positive generally are only declared virus free after two further negative tests. If the first one gives an 80% confidence they're virus free, then the second one makes it a 96% confidence level, which equates to a gold standard text level of >=95%.
Put simply, there is no gold-standard PCR test, but it's all we've got and, if transmission is low ( as in some Asian countries ), it's good enough. Add in asymptomatic cases, and, as transmissions increase and isolation and contact testing becomes more difficult, it's easy to lose control, see Europe for a fine example.
In an ideal world, you'd isolate anyone with a positive test, and then test all contacts ( twice over the course of four or five days ) whether they have symptoms or not. If any contacts test positive, you'd back trace all their contacts too until you stop finding positives.
Diogenes the Cynic
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Set aside the nature of the activity and just factor in the risk.
Schools and students are a significant factor in the spreading of this virus.
If they had pumped the budget that has been handed out to dubious contracts for Covid to facilitate distance learning via tablets etc and enforced strict social distancing where necessary then we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.
Obviously Special needs schools etc are an exception. My mum is a teacher at one of these schools where the children require physical contact for various reasons on a daily basis. She's been given literally no protection or solution to this and just has to go in and do her job every day.
I'm a nurse who works in a clinical setting and I still feel her risk is exponentially greater than mine.
Schools are one thing, there's absolutely no need for any theoretical university course to keep face to face in place. They should have been one of the first things shut down.
NilSatisOptimum
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Cant understand why Johnson the Ditherer did not time the lock with half term, as we did Wales, also they had two break this year. No need for a Senedd vote either, Johnson hiding behind parliament. It was pretty obvious that the local restrictions weren't working.
NilSatisOptimum
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Sorry, I meant saying this time last year that this is what would be happening now
Even with a pandemic etc, you'd think it'd all have been a bit more measured
Like you said, it's like some dystopian future film
I get the Unis - said it at the time, there was no need for them to be going back.
This is an excellent quick animation about how and why masks work!
www.nytimes.com
Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How (Published 2020)
A visual journey through the microscopic world of the coronavirus shows how masks provide an important defense against transmission.
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