Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

My partner is a nurse and my 72 year old dad is awaiting surgery who is at a high risk of death from Covid.

You’re a tit.

Wife just messaged saying the bloke she works alongside hasn't come in today because of high fever. We'll have a cross on the door by the end of the week.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Don't think it's about being smug mate. I'm WFH for the foreseeable and I'm lucky enough to have a job where this is possible. A lot of sympathy to those who don't but the government should be doing much more to help here.

I've got a mate in events promotion (booking DJ's for gigs etc) and his income has essentially flatlined particularly after Boris' recommendation to not go to clubs and bars... whilst stopping short of forcing them to shut down. It's not good enough, he's living in London and technically self-employed so not entitled to any statutory sick pay nor meet many of the Universal Income requirements.

@micknick is in the events business as well. Must be a horrible time.

 

[Sentinel]

You mean all the people killing each other for bog roll and penne pasta.

It's a crazy situation but what you have to realize is these shortages literally last over night. I've posted before that people on minimum wage aren't particularly invested in the system. However that's a concern with how we treat people on low wages.

Getting bog roll will not be a future concern. What will be a concern is ensuring vulnerable groups get all the help they need. Panic buying and hording, price gougers are worsening the problem. But there is literally only so much toilet paper or penne pasta, people can buy and it'll be back on the shelves soon.

Our main concern is that the most vulnerable have access to those goods, especially if they are voluntary or involuntary isolated.

 

[peteblue]

Just started work and we are selling out of bloody everything.
Even the beer is running low !

Genuinely worse than Xmas.

Dear god, this really is serious.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think the problem with that though is a presumption, that after flattening the initial curve that some measures wont remain in place and things will get back to normal, that is not going to happen. Like it or not there are going to restrictions on liberty in place everywhere in the world for the next year. Foreign travel will be out, social restrictions on managing a first and second wave can be fluid. People in or out of countries wont be welcomed on either side of that equation. Limits can be implemented and freed up at anytime and reintroduced in the public good. As a strategy you can incrementally increase and decrease the curve based on civil and social partnership for the greater good. Spirit of the blitz mentality etc.

Lockdown is a general term used, Ireland have restrictions in place but i can still go to work, head out for a run and a cycle, go to the the supermarket etc, the DIY store. The biggest inconvenience is sport, domestically and football in the UK, bars and restaurants and travel being cancelled - is it worth it to save lives definitely, its a no brainier of a decision.

Everything everyone is doing, isnt about curing this virus its about delaying and saving lives. Its like if an alien invasion happened and they start bllowing us away do you try and avoid them, or run out with a saucepan and try and fight them off. Simple psychology fight or flight.

I think yesterday was a bit of acknowledgement by the UK that maybe the faith in the herd approach may not be as cast iron as it was a couple of days ago, there seems to be a hybrid approach now of beginning to introduce with some restrictions and keeping faith with the herd approach for political collateral. Its very hard to know how things are clinically in the UK at the moment, deaths are creeping up, testing just isnt happening, data seems so inaccurate due to restrictions and volumes of testing. As you will know, the herd theory is just that, its usually been backed by vaccination where its been successful, currently there is no definite if 60% of the Uk get it, recover, that they will be immune, they could all get it get it again in the winter, but that could be after a significant loss of life. Its ultimately a bet.

I suppose what i am getting at is the tolerance of the approach adopted by the UK and how easy it seems to be to accept that death is inevitable. It is, but the scales of that might just be mitigated based on an approach, there is something that just doesn't sit well from a humanity point of view, in being complicit with an approach of acceptable deaths before safety restrictions are put in place to minimize the loss of life.

Aye, I dunno mate. There's going to be a lot of making it up as we go along I reckon as it's all such uncharted territory. All we can do is try not to be tits ourselves, keeping out of the way if we have it, and helping out those around us.

 

[Brennan]

Wife just messaged saying the bloke she works alongside hasn't come in today because of high fever. We'll have a cross on the door by the end of the week.

Been debating with my partner whether to go and visit my parents and hers this Friday before the 70 plus lockdown begins.

Partner isn’t treating or near any COVID patients and I’ll be sat at home for the rest of the week, but there’s always that what if.

Im concerned this isolation for over 70s could last for longer than 12 weeks. Much longer.

 

[Neiler]

Aye, I dunno mate. There's going to be a lot of making it up as we go along I reckon as it's all such uncharted territory. All we can do is try not to be tits ourselves, keeping out of the way if we have it, and helping out those around us.

Good stuff mate, just read your last post hope yourself and Mrs Wayne will be all good!

*To the Bat Cave!

 

[orly]

So you are old enough to remember what life was like in big cities in England during the early 1940s.?
Rationing.Blackouts. Curfews.Travel Restrictions. Deaths!

And no Grandoldteam.com

 

[zzr45]

Just started work and we are selling out of bloody everything.
Even the beer is running low !

Genuinely worse than Xmas.

Do you sell particularly strong solvents? Asking for a friend

 

[peteblue]

My partner is a nurse and my 72 year old dad is awaiting surgery who is at a high risk of death from Covid.

You’re a tit.

Hope he comes through it ok.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Been debating with my partner whether to go and visit my parents and hers this Friday before the 70 plus lockdown begins.

Partner isn’t treating or near any COVID patients and I’ll be sat at home for the rest of the week, but there’s always that what if.

Im concerned this isolation for over 70s could last for longer than 12 weeks. Much longer.

It wouldn't surprise me to be honest, and if it keeps them safe, so be it. I don't think the NHS can magic ICU-trained staff out of thin air, so capacity is going to be fairly stuck, so prevention has to be better than cure. Just got to be good as gold to our old folk.

 

[peteblue]

Russia say they only have 63 cases, which means they aren't testing anyone and it is rife there or they developed it and put the vaccine in the water supply and are about to invade the rest of Europe. One or the other.

They are now suggesting that the U.K. started this, just like we did at Salisbury....obviously they are hiding their numbers, but they must be expecting a big increase to start looking for a scapegoat......

 

[Neiler]

They are now suggesting that the U.K. started this, just like we did at Salisbury....obviously they are hiding their numbers, but they must be expecting a big increase to start looking for a scapegoat......

I heard it was a dastardly plot put together by the Andrex puppy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This may be perhaps illustrative. There's a report in Czech out suggesting that the shutdown there is costing around 1/7 of their daily GDP per day. If that was translated to the UK, it'd be around £370 billion per year. Just to note, this is with big employers such as Skoda remaining largely open.

 

[Brennan]

A big problem this government will have is keeping the nurses and doctors on board and motivated.

Every winter these people are already pushed to the limit, due to lack of ICU beds and low staffing levels.

You can’t just motivate people to overcome impossible odds. It doesn’t matter how many ventilators we build if there aren’t enough staff to operate them, and there are not. It’s also not a simple thing to be trained on. And who will train them ?