Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[toffee82]

Comparison of mortality from the first wave with previous years in the last decade (and set to get even worse with the second wave):

2019 was a light year. Average 2019 and 2020 and factor in the UK population has grown by about 10% over 10 years. That's why rates rather than raw numbers might be more useful.

This is only up to week 21 (May). June through August had fewer deaths than normal if I remember rightly.

As you said, it will get worse with this second wave but looking at 2020 as an individual year does not give a full picture.

We have learned a lot about this virus in a short amount of time. It is the hospital capacity that is letting us down. We have a better idea of effective treatments which means beds remain occupied (obviously a good thing that people are surviving). Add to that the fact that hospitals are strained in winter anyway.

This government is so reactive rather than proactive which has cost lives and huge amounts of money.

 

[sbbefc]

Quelle surprise, this government is going to be too slow again. Yet again in the long run doing more damage to the economy/public health. Useless.

 

[roydo]

Low income households with no computer or internet isn't an easy fix I'd have thought..

How come? Get them connected, lend/give them a device.

 

[JLW]

Surely you can be in favour of lockdown having “looked at the big picture”.

No mate I’m not in favour of a lockdown at all!
60 odd million people affected by lockdown that to me is the bigger picture!

 

[davek]

There'll be a lockdown and the number of deaths predicted in average modelling for this predicts 2,000 deaths per day if it isn't a prolonged shutdown.

This lockdown will take us well into the new year. It wont be weeks, it'll be months. That's the only way of avoiding the NHS collapse and death rate becoming utterly catastrophic.

A national lockdown should have been called in September when SAGE told this lot to have one. They didn't do it, they instead preferred to continue to allow business to trade and they acted too slowly again. Now we face a much longer lockdown.

 

[Paris]

How come? Get them connected, lend/give them a device.

The government has cut down on the number of devices it has giving to schools by a substantial amount.

 

[davek]

2019 was a light year. Average 2019 and 2020 and factor in the UK population has grown by about 10% over 10 years. That's why rates rather than raw numbers might be more useful.

This is only up to week 21 (May). June through August had fewer deaths than normal if I remember rightly.

As you said, it will get worse with this second wave but looking at 2020 as an individual year does not give a full picture.

We have learned a lot about this virus in a short amount of time. It is the hospital capacity that is letting us down. We have a better idea of effective treatments which means beds remain occupied (obviously a good thing that people are surviving). Add to that the fact that hospitals are strained in winter anyway.

This government is so reactive rather than proactive which has cost lives and huge amounts of money.

Hospital capacity is an issue now because there was no lockdown 6 weeks back when there should have been one.

 

[toffee82]

There is no easy way out of this, it’s already a mess. Do we protect our future or protect the present?
The future you open everywhere up with the standard rules indoors face masks SD at a cost of peoples lives
Or lockdown and protect the present probably save some Covid lives but they will be balanced out by suicides, mental health, poverty, grim future, no jobs, no economy and many other issues.

That's the big question.

I think most of us are prepared to lockdown again to help get through the winter. I can't see being this way next year.

 

[davek]

Its very easy for people in Sage to demand more lengthy lockdowns. But they don't understand the impact they are going to cause on people who are not allowed to work. They are entirely out of touch with normal people.

That's why they implored the government to take a national circuit breaker back in September, to avoid a lengthy lockdown.

Dont blame SAGE this time around, blame the government.

 

[davek]

There is no easy way out of this, it’s already a mess. Do we protect our future or protect the present?
The future you open everywhere up with the standard rules indoors face masks SD at a cost of peoples lives
Or lockdown and protect the present probably save some Covid lives but they will be balanced out by suicides, mental health, poverty, grim future, no jobs, no economy and many other issues.

There is no distinction.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That's why they implored the government to take a national circuit breaker back in September, to avoid a lenghty lockdowen.

Dont blame SAGE this time around, blame the government.

I blame all of them

 

[orchard]

For online lessons?

Seems a pretty easy thing to fix if needs be.

Budget reduced by 80pc last week?

 

[toffee82]

Hospital capacity is an issue now because there was no lockdown 6 weeks back when there should have been one.

Hospital capacity is an issue as we have far fewer beds per capita than countries like France and Germany.

 

[davek]

I blame all of them

You can only blame them on the basis that a national lockdown hasn't happened. You dont seem to support one though?

 

[roydo]

The government has cut down on the number of devices it has giving to schools by a substantial amount.

I dont doubt that for a second.

But that doesnt mean that the solution for kids who cant access remote learning isnt a pretty simple one.