Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

All that can be shut down should be shut down, no matter what the contribution to the virus' spread.

If you can shut down food outlets which cause transmission then why wouldn't you?

That Excel spreadsheet you linked is showing some interesting figures on rate of infection per 100,000 amongst different age groups (there's a massive cleavage between the under 30s and over 30s) and between genders - the latest figures seem to indicate women more than men are picking up the virus (there's clearer distance between the two in the last fortnight or so).

If you think about where the infection rates are occuring and, with knowledge that existing inequalities are heightened, it's unsurprising that it's spreading among the young and women.

Similarly we seem to be in an odd dichotomy between asking the 'young and working age to go out and live as normal' while simultaneously blaming them for spreading the virus and causing lockdown.

 

[davek]

If you think about where the infection rates are occuring and, with knowledge that existing inequalities are heightened, it's unsurprising that it's spreading among the young and women.

Similarly we seem to be in an odd dichotomy between asking the 'young and working age to go out and live as normal' while simultaneously blaming them for spreading the virus and causing lockdown.

A national lockdown ends all that confusion.

It will...

A/ help get on top of this transmission rate that's out of control
B/ bring back some feeling that we're all in this together again and not have people pointing the finger at each other

 

[Jebus_lives]

A national lockdown ends all that confusion.

It will...

A/ help get on top of this transmission rate that's out of control
B/ bring back some feeling that we're all in this together again and not pointing the finger

With caveats:

A. Yes it will, but it's not really a workable strategy to continually lockdown. There is increased inequality as a result and in many respects the most vulnerable are adversely impacted. If we are to do it again, there needs to be very clear protections for people and a strategy about how we come out and what measures will get taken to prevent further lockdown.

B. I'm not so sure. The country is divided right down the middle between 'lockdown' and 'open up' stoked by a media pushing liberterian nonsense and pseudo science. I think it'll only make the divide larger at this point.

 

[roydo]

A national lockdown ends all that confusion.

It will...

A/ help get on top of this transmission rate that's out of control
B/ bring back some feeling that we're all in this together again and not have people pointing the finger at each other

The only folk pointing fingers seem to be politicians.

Scotland and Wales and NI have done their own thing; I dont see that much difference in what the English Government has done.

Scotland, your patch iirc, have shut the Central Belt. Wales has parts of the South and Mid Wales similar. England have the NE, NW, parts of the Midlands, with the SE getting closer.

Struggle to see the difference.

 

[Blue83]

He is making a stand purposely because if he closes he goes under anyway, he states he has support from local MPs etc.

And they have a go fund page if anyone you would like to contribute to paying the fines!

SAVE LIVERPOOL GYMS, organized by Sean Stanhope

WE ARE STAYING OPEN TO OUR MEMBERS - SAVE THE GYMS NORTH WEST We are setting up this fundraiser bec… Sean Stanhope needs your support for SAVE LIVERPOOL GYMS

uk.gofundme.com

Why would he go under when the government is offering support for businesses forced to close ? Or is there undeclared money he'll be missing out on and therefore not funded ?

Why can't he use the gofundme to cover what the government doesn't fund ?

No much better to make a clown of yourself by acting irresponsibly by keeping the gym open because "Covid Secure" (nowhere is secure from covid) and waste all that gofundme money paying the government you're "protesting" against

He deserves to go under for being an idiot

 

[davek]

With caveats:

A. Yes it will, but it's not really a workable strategy to continually lockdown. There is increased inequality as a result and in many respects the most vulnerable are adversely impacted. If we are to do it again, there needs to be very clear protections for people and a strategy about how we come out and what measures will get taken to prevent further lockdown.

B. I'm not so sure. The country is divided right down the middle between 'lockdown' and 'open up' stoked by a media pushing liberterian nonsense and pseudo science. I think it'll only make the divide larger at this point.

A/ that's not a natural outcome (inequality), it's a political choice
B/ when a government makes a decision to impose something for a national effort it will forge unity...the divisions aren't set in stone, they're overplayed

 

[The binman chronicles]

Burnham nails it - when London exploded with this virus, national lockdown, "all in this together".

The north gets it this time, and regional lockdowns, immediate Tier 3 for familiar whipping boy city Liverpool etc.

It's Tory contempt for the north, clear as day.

To be fair London is a hub where a lot of people travel to. That's not to say people don't go from London to the North but I'd imagine the percentage is a lot less.

 

[davek]

The only folk pointing fingers seem to be politicians.

Scotland and Wales and NI have done their own thing; I dont see that much difference in what the English Government has done.

Scotland, your patch iirc, have shut the Central Belt. Wales has parts of the South and Mid Wales similar. England have the NE, NW, parts of the Midlands, with the SE getting closer.

Struggle to see the difference.

Defo. I think that's spot on.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A/ that's not a natural outcome (inequality), it's a political choice
B/ when a government makes a decision to impose something for a national effort it will forge unity...the divisions aren't set in stone, they're overplayed

I'm working in a practical basis. As we are now.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Was at a pub last night, people were putting their mask around their wrists (for easier reach) and the more they drink, they lose focus and sometimes the alcohol they consume were pouring a little on their mask, without them noticing, then they put on that alcohol spilt masks while going to toilets, and later to underground or busses. This is so funny, not even sad or stupid anymore.

 

[roydo]

Radio ads are asking men who have had CV to supply blood cos their blood plazma might contain sommet that might help.

Why only men?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He`s getting a lot of support too by the looks of it.

40k within 48 hrs of starting the fund raiser shows the levels of disquiet over what`s going on.

Three people have donated a grand each

Why would he go under when the government is offering support for businesses forced to close ? Or is there undeclared money he'll be missing out on and therefore not funded ?

Why can't he use the gofundme to cover what the government doesn't fund ?

No much better to make a clown of yourself by acting irresponsibly by keeping the gym open because "Covid Secure" (nowhere is secure from covid) and waste all that gofundme money paying the government you're "protesting" against

His main thrust of objection was higher infection rates in establishments being allowed to stay open... The financial package if he heads closure they go out of business, either way closing down because they are asked to or they rack up fines staying open make no difference. And the obvious health benefits of being healthy.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Radio ads are asking men who have had CV to supply blood cos their blood plazma might contain sommet that might help.

Why only men?

Generally speaking, higher levels of antibodies than women I think ?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Generally speaking, higher levels of antibodies than women I think ?

The end of equality... Mother nature has spoken!

 

[Nymzee]

Are we still allowed a bubble in Tier 2 and 3?