Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kenshin]

They're in 'bubbles', though.

That's the same world over.

Munich had a shutdown the other week. Not total lockdown but caps on stuff as there was a rise in cases. All of their players and the opposition players still played.

Being a professional athlete is probably the safest thing right now given the amount of tests and top quality care they get.

Given that young players especially are known for breaking the rules though, including our own players like.

It's easy to say they are safe but we have no idea what they do in their own time as we have seen since march.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

If everyone buys into the circuit break it would work as a respite. At the moment you're told to isolate for what 10 days after symptoms show? If everyone stays home for 14 days, those who have it now but don't know are not outside giving it to more people who then themselves pass it on. Hopefully they won't be infectious by the time it is finished so the chain is broken. Of course it will then come back afterwards but you've bought time.

The hospitalisations probably won't go down as it takes a number of weeks to go through the system, but a few weeks after the temporary lockdown they would be better off than they would otherwise have been.

Seeing we are persisting on the local (but not full lockdown measures) it's likely the cases will keep rising and we'll need a longer national full lockdown within a month. The sacrifices that Liverpool are making now will just mean they will just spend longer in lockdown (local 2/3 weeks) before a harder national one of 3/4 weeks as hospitalisations will be through the roof by that point. Shambles comes to mind.

This tiered system is a fudge to me. I live in an area classed as medium. My missus has to go to work in an area classed as high risk (which arguably should be very, very high) and mingle with folk who have their kids in local schools. Lots of folk travel in to said area for work. Households are part of the problem, but not all. Plus, I know of folk from said high risk area getting the bus / train to my medium area for a bevvy with their mates.

So yeah, I think harsher stuff will follow.

 

[BlueToff]

Well, this is a conundrum isn't it? But on the other hand its a question of priorities and a societies moral compass. Do you want to avoid deaths and illness (in sectors if the population you might not necessarily engage with or know) in the relatively short term or do nice things for your own gratification?

Heh, guess that point stands for a significant portion of what constitutes high capitalist consumer society.

Being less flippant, it is an issue. But you can't wish something away. Equally the 'learning to live with the virus' argument implictly seems to preclude basically incorporating measures to modify how we live. Especially those folk don't like. Toddlers. Everywhere. Tory Toddlers.

See, that is obviously what people try to make others feel bad with.

We did all that. Did it for three months in the UK and, I argued at the time, I'd have happily seen it go on longer if it meant in the long-term we got out of this thing quicker.

I don't want people to die. But I also don't want loads of lives ruined by the methods which are being used to 'protect' people.

The public keep getting blamed for not following the rules, but the rules in the last few months are simply illogical and so hap hazard. They hardly make sense. And they're half-measures which don't seem to be achieving much.

We're also seeing spikes in Spain and Italy, who had much harsher lockdowns. There was always going to be a second wave so my main question is why we're not in a better position to deal with it, and why is lockdown the only solution that anybody seems to have.

It's not about doing 'nice things'. I've lost my job this year. It's been crap. Loads of people have and have had no help - that's an issue with the government I know.

This time next year, if entertainment and hospitality industries are ever going to be back, then social distance simply isn't workable, and neither is people having to isolate for two weeks etc.

Life is worth living for the little things - entertainment, being able to go to a match or pop round and see your mates. We're lucky in the western world that we get to do that.

A year of everyone's life will have been wasted come March. Life's precious - which is why the measures are and were needed. But if we've seen no actual real progress by then on other solutions other than everyone needs to keep 2m away from each other and wear a mask if you're stood up inside a pub, then it's pretty grim

 

[BlueToff]

Given that young players especially are known for breaking the rules though, including our own players like.

It's easy to say they are safe but we have no idea what they do in their own time as we have seen since march.

True.

But there's been no talk of that for any of our players yet. They're in bubbles and if they test positive, they'll unfortunately be unable to play for 2 weeks.

 

[BlueToff]

This tiered system is a fudge to me. I live in an area classed as medium. My missus has to go to work in an area classed as high risk (which arguably should be very, very high) and mingle with folk who have their kids in local schools. Lots of folk travel in to said area for work. Households are part of the problem, but not all. Plus, I know of folk from said high risk area getting the bus / train to my medium area for a bevvy with their mates.

So yeah, I think harsher stuff will follow.

It's mental.

From tomorrow, I'm in tier 2.

So I can't go to my mum and dad's or meet them for a coffee, unless we sit outside.

I can however go to work in this office that I'm doing 2 days a week at and mingle with the people in there.

There's social distance measures in place and it's not an open plan office, but I'm still seeing people.

But then I couldn't go for a pint with them when I finish.

This is the main issue I get when people say that it's down to the public not following the rules (had a huge argument with my dad about this yesterday). The rules have no logic and aren't based on much science, as far as I can tell.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Look at my earlier posts

It's mental.

From tomorrow, I'm in tier 2.

So I can't go to my mum and dad's or meet them for a coffee, unless we sit outside.

I can however go to work in this office that I'm doing 2 days a week at and mingle with the people in there.

There's social distance measures in place and it's not an open plan office, but I'm still seeing people.

But then I couldn't go for a pint with them when I finish.

This is the main issue I get when people say that it's down to the public not following the rules (had a huge argument with my dad about this yesterday). The rules have no logic and aren't based on much science, as far as I can tell.

Oh no I agree, the rules and messaging are insane an unhelpful. But my argument is there remains a responsibility with individuals to try and act sensibly. What I see is too many just not bothering. Part of it is using any justification to do what they like. Others is just downright confusion. Its the toddler faction I have a problem with. Its insidious.

 

[Nymzee]

The rules are so illogical though.

They're based on no scientific evidence.

Why only introduce masks as compulsory in shops in July? Why not from the start?

There's so many holes in the rules that you can't just blame it on the public. The government have had time to get sorted in one way or the other and failed.

It's obviously a bit of both but at the end of the day these tosspots in power don't know their a*** from their elbow, despite initially dealing with lockdown quite well in March/April (as in when the lockdown went ahead, it was well policed and maintained by the public, too).

I'm not absolving the gov but at the same time even if rules are illogical we have our own brains and can make our own logical choices. I didn't need the gov to tell me in July to wear a mask in a shop since I'd been wearing a mask in the shops from the start.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

See, that is obviously what people try to make others feel bad with.

We did all that. Did it for three months in the UK and, I argued at the time, I'd have happily seen it go on longer if it meant in the long-term we got out of this thing quicker.

I don't want people to die. But I also don't want loads of lives ruined by the methods which are being used to 'protect' people.

The public keep getting blamed for not following the rules, but the rules in the last few months are simply illogical and so hap hazard. They hardly make sense. And they're half-measures which don't seem to be achieving much.

We're also seeing spikes in Spain and Italy, who had much harsher lockdowns. There was always going to be a second wave so my main question is why we're not in a better position to deal with it, and why is lockdown the only solution that anybody seems to have.

It's not about doing 'nice things'. I've lost my job this year. It's been crap. Loads of people have and have had no help - that's an issue with the government I know.

This time next year, if entertainment and hospitality industries are ever going to be back, then social distance simply isn't workable, and neither is people having to isolate for two weeks etc.

Life is worth living for the little things - entertainment, being able to go to a match or pop round and see your mates. We're lucky in the western world that we get to do that.

A year of everyone's life will have been wasted come March. Life's precious - which is why the measures are and were needed. But if we've seen no actual real progress by then on other solutions other than everyone needs to keep 2m away from each other and wear a mask if you're stood up inside a pub, then it's pretty grim

Well, again, perhaps we need more imagination around what makes life nice than bungling around shops or sitting in a boozer.

But agree, the govt don't help. Just rushing to re-open stuff. Frankly, you probably can't. But they're unwilling/incapable od adequate support measures for folk. Sorry to hear you lost your job.

 

[Jimishorts]

bungling around shops

The mind boggles @Bungle

 

[BlueToff]

Well, again, perhaps we need more imagination around what makes life nice than bungling around shops or sitting in a boozer.

But agree, the govt don't help. Just rushing to re-open stuff. Frankly, you probably can't. But they're unwilling/incapable od adequate support measures for folk. Sorry to hear you lost your job.

Well I'm into my cycling (thanks to lockdown) and keeping fit generally. Still haven't been back to the gym for obvious reasons, and it seems more hassle than it's worth.

But entertainment (as a loose term) is literally all their is to life. You are keeping yourself entertained one way or the other, and the rest is work, and then you die. That's life.

You can't really say people need 'more imagination'.

 

[Charro]

They're delivering them.

That's the job I was going to be starting but thankfully now I don't have to as more work has come up.

100s - 1000s of people - are driving around the UK delivering tests, both covid and for anti-bodies.

The same people drop them off, then collect from the person who was tested (socially distanced of course) and take them to a courier.

This is what's happening.

If anyone needs work, like, look into it.

Star Medical are the recruiters behind it.

Cheers man.

Ive ordered a home test kit is this what will happen or do I have to do that myself and send it off?

I don’t mind going to the walk in centre tbh. I’m not feeling too bad, just a temperature and muscle aches and I kind of don’t trust myself to do the test correctly.

Plus I need the result ASAP so I can tell my Mrs if she can come down for the weekend or not.

 

[Charro]

Also, to the lads asking about footy- we’ve had it confirmed now that our game is cancelled due to the restrictions.

Gutted about that.

 

[BlueToff]

Cheers man.

Ive ordered a home test kit is this what will happen or do I have to do that myself and send it off?

I don’t mind going to the walk in centre tbh. I’m not feeling too bad, just a temperature and muscle aches and I kind of don’t trust myself to do the test correctly.

Plus I need the result ASAP so I can tell my Mrs if she can come down for the weekend or not.

I'm not sure mate. They were starting the training process in the last few weeks and rolling it out in batches depending on area.

If you order a home kit that may well be what happens!

 

[BlueToff]

I'm not absolving the gov but at the same time even if rules are illogical we have our own brains and can make our own logical choices. I didn't need the gov to tell me in July to wear a mask in a shop since I'd been wearing a mask in the shops from the start.

Yeah that's fine mate. I get that. I'm not trying to absolve responsibility fully.

Just also don't see any positive impact any of the government's rules have had (bar lockdown, which is obviously grim).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's mental.

From tomorrow, I'm in tier 2.

So I can't go to my mum and dad's or meet them for a coffee, unless we sit outside.

I can however go to work in this office that I'm doing 2 days a week at and mingle with the people in there.

There's social distance measures in place and it's not an open plan office, but I'm still seeing people.

But then I couldn't go for a pint with them when I finish.

This is the main issue I get when people say that it's down to the public not following the rules (had a huge argument with my dad about this yesterday). The rules have no logic and aren't based on much science, as far as I can tell.

The risks associated with you hanging out with your colleagues at work versus in the pub 'may' be similar, but the value of you going to work versus going to get blotto'd are completely different, hence why going to work is seen as worth the risk but getting blotto'd is not. I wouldn't have thought it's 'that' hard to figure out. What this whole affair does indicate, however, is that the government don't appear able to identify precisely where outbreaks are occurring (for all the track and trace/signing into places), as you'd have thought if they could, they would shut down those places where indiscretions occur and leave those open where none occur. It seems common throughout all of this that despite there being a load of rules, there's practically no enforcement of any of them, and it just relies on people doing what's right. In which case it's going to be a long winter.