Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Or we just manage the "ending" of a lockdown much, much better.

But if you look at a lot of places across the world, they have had spikes whenever they've come out of periods of lockdown. Melbourne, for example, and they went right back into strict lockdown.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been done better, but there's always going to be spikes. We should be able to deal with those spikes and get on with life. But given the timing of this thing right now, that would obviously be extremely dangerous heading into the poorer weather and time of year when people are more susceptible to illness.
 
But if you look at a lot of places across the world, they have had spikes whenever they've come out of periods of lockdown. Melbourne, for example, and they went right back into strict lockdown.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been done better, but there's always going to be spikes. We should be able to deal with those spikes and get on with life. But given the timing of this thing right now, that would obviously be extremely dangerous heading into the poorer weather and time of year when people are more susceptible to illness.

Yeh, a spike after lockdown, sure.

Lockdown "ended" in July and we're still spiking 3 months later.

I'm not sure we can really call it a spike anymore just an upward trajectory of failure as a nation to follow simple rules or make common sense decisions.
 
Spain had a longer lockdown and they seem to be having similar problems. Mask policies do not seem to have much impact either as some countries with mask policies outdoors are now experiencing an increase in cases. It looks like a lot of European countries are experiencing increased cases regardless of their lockdown length.

The problem with mask policies is, in part, the side effect of them. Folk don't do the distancing part in my experience. Or worse, walk around getting people's personal space with their nose hanging out of them. They're meant to be a combination of measures, not to supplant another. To be fair, the Prof who has loudly campaigned for them was warned of the possible unintentended effects, but got a bit snippy lol.

Ho him.
 
It's in their job description:
Advising on the policy implications of research and emerging evidence, relating to health protection, immunisation and emergency preparedness and response on both a proactive and reactive basis;



It was their job and they screwed the pooch.

that sentence literally starts with the words “advising on”
 
Surely one of the big issues here is how you get more people to actually engage with a tracking system. Financial support is part of it but it doesn't solve everything. Surely the level of engagement is as big an issue as the actual system. They need to fix both issues.
It's meeting unmet need.

Politically we need to understand needs and address them. Put resources before restriction. Lockdown shouldn't be the strategy - it should be a last resort intervention.

Public health planning, like any commissioning for health services, should never develop strategy and interventions in isolation.

What are the pressures for people?

Telling someone to isolate when they may lose their livelihood/home - you force people to make the decision.

Blaming sections of society for spreading when they've been forced into that circumstance - they will ignore you and lead to a breakdown of compliance and community cohesion.

Only focus on extreme examples of interventions - you lose your empirical advantage and succumb to populist ideas or cycle of lockdown.

Letting rip in society - you increase deaths and leave long lasting health problems and financial problems (which are overlooked).

We need much more focus on:
Speedy test and trace and resources to enable isolation for everyone.
An understanding of community preferences - it assists with compliance, reduces stigma and assists with messaging.
What the optimal delivery for messages is - how and why are the messages landing (or not).
Resource for adaptation of facilities and communities.
 
Shame you didn’t take it as seriously as other did at the start mate.

Still think it’s all a hoax?

We’ve all got things wrong. None of us are experts, least not yourself.

Stop bouncing round the thread giving it the big one yeah.
Bankrupt.
 
The problem with mask policies is, in part, the side effect of them. Folk don't do the distancing part in my experience. Or worse, walk around getting people's personal space with their nose hanging out of them. They're meant to be a combination of measures, not to supplant another. To be fair, the Prof who has loudly campaigned for them was warned of the possible unintentended effects, but got a bit snippy lol.

Ho him.
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Probably need to add into that open air circulation but the principle works. A range of measures are needed.
 
Yeh, a spike after lockdown, sure.

Lockdown "ended" in July and we're still spiking 3 months later.

I'm not sure we can really call it a spike anymore just an upward trajectory of failure as a nation to follow simple rules or make common sense decisions.

The rules are so illogical though.

They're based on no scientific evidence.

Why only introduce masks as compulsory in shops in July? Why not from the start?

There's so many holes in the rules that you can't just blame it on the public. The government have had time to get sorted in one way or the other and failed.

It's obviously a bit of both but at the end of the day these tosspots in power don't know their a*** from their elbow, despite initially dealing with lockdown quite well in March/April (as in when the lockdown went ahead, it was well policed and maintained by the public, too).
 
The problem with mask policies is, in part, the side effect of them. Folk don't do the distancing part in my experience. Or worse, walk around getting people's personal space with their nose hanging out of them. They're meant to be a combination of measures, not to supplant another. To be fair, the Prof who has loudly campaigned for them was warned of the possible unintentended effects, but got a bit snippy lol.

Ho him.

Thing is, it isn't going anywhere, so this time next year are people still going to be having a go about others getting near them?
 
No Dave, your obsession and hatred for anyone who makes a living in the hospitality industry is just downright weird and frankly quite sinister.

The country opened up again, the cases didn’t rise as you predicted and wanted. You went silent for weeks as a result, occasionally popping up to squawk like a demented parrot over photos of people on beaches.

The government fudged the track and trace system schools and universities went back and lo and behold here we are.
After an initial (and very early) dismissal of this virus (based on numerous other false alarms raised by WHO in recent years) I have been consistent...and consistently right...in calling for caution and vigilance in order to keep human losses at a minimum.

Conscience clear.

It's ok to say you were wrong. I did. Instead of taking up an indefensible position it's better to acknowledge that things have gone disastrously wrong and to call it...and to do a mea culpa while your about it.

There's been loads on here arguing through the summer it's ok to do what you want. It never was. They can at least own up to that.
 
Wasn't Witty (or Valance) saying in March that there was no evidence that shutting Cheltenham down would have helped?

I trust them more than the MPs, but that's not exactly saying much.

Their calculations at the start of it were way off. I think in lockdown they seemed pretty reasoned, cautious but at least showed a way out.

Since the lockdown was lifted the rules have been nonsense.
 
Wasn't Witty (or Valance) saying in March that there was no evidence that shutting Cheltenham down would have helped?

I trust them more than the MPs, but that's not exactly saying much.

Their calculations at the start of it were way off. I think in lockdown they seemed pretty reasoned, cautious but at least showed a way out.

Since the lockdown was lifted the rules have been nonsense.
Which ones?
 
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