Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

Close everything then - and watch civilization crumble

No, just be consistent. Bars and restaurants are inseperable: both serve food and drink, both have people in them for hours on end.

 

[Tubey]

No I haven't. But Ive been in restaurants and I know what I'm talking about. There is no way you can make a case for them being less of a threat than the other places being forced to shut.

Restaurants have been shut all over the world because of this virus.

They are less dangerous than pubs, nightclubs and gyms. That's a fact mate.

That said, by less dangerous I simply mean they're not as bad. They're still bad. This is an airborne virus; any enclosed indoor space where you mix with other people is a massive transmission risk and, if we were actually locking down, wouldn't be allowed. Neither would buses/trains, or even office work.

 

[davek]

Yes which, again, just lends to the point that the government don't have a clue what they're doing. They're trying to balance the economy with the pandemic and failing to do anything about either.

At this point, for me, it's do one of two things - either lockdown properly, or shield the vulnerable as best we can and get on with our lives. By half-arsing both, we're achieving nothing.

Anderson and Rotherham have lobbied for restaurants to stay open and this government who are 'so concerned' at the infection increase in the city they've allowed them to call the shots on keeping them open...making an absolute mockery of the tier 3 system of closure they are tring to sell.

 

[davek]

They are less dangerous than pubs, nightclubs and gyms. That's a fact mate.

That said, by less dangerous I simply mean they're not as bad. They're still bad. This is an airborne virus; any enclosed indoor space where you mix with other people is a massive transmission risk and, if we were actually locking down, wouldn't be allowed. Neither would buses/trains, or even office work.

You would need to show me the "facts" on that.

 

[mill]

Infection rates in London are below 100 per 100,000. In Liverpool it's nearly 600. Leeds 390, Bradford 290, Newcastle 500, Manchester 543.

The north never really got a chance to recover from the first wave. The growth rates are broadly similar. Just that the north started the second wave from a higher base at the time.

The R value and growth rate

The latest reproduction number (R) and growth rate of coronavirus (COVID-19).

www.gov.uk

The south are going to catch up id imagine.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The problem isn't the lockdown as such - it's just the knowledge that this wouldn't be happening if it were London. There'd be a national lockdown instead.

That, and after stupidity like the "rule of six" and so on, it's increasingly obvious that the government and their scientists have, between them, absolutely no clue what they're doing, so people are reluctant to listen as they don't see the point.

When logic went out the window with the restrictions, people's consent began to wane.

The credibility of the government and advisors has been weakened enormously over the last few weeks.

 

[Tubey]

You would need to show me the "facts" on that.

They were released the other day, where it showed the most dangerous places for transmission. Surprisingly, buses/trains weren't massive factors, but that's because of enhanced cleaning measures from the start and a massive drop in people actually using them. That, and people wear masks on them, which they don't when eating/drinking/running in other settings.

But yes, gyms/bars/nightclubs were worse than restaurants. I see your point about bars and restaurants being interchangable, but with restaurants they've had a big focus on table service only and are generally a lot bigger spaces than your average pub, so they are less of a risk. Not much less, but still less of a risk.

 

[Tubey]

When logic went out the window with the restrictions, people's consent began to wane.

The credibility of the government and advisors has been weakened enormously over the last few weeks.

That's exactly what happened, yes.

You could count on one hand the amount of people who'd actually bother in the slightest with the "rule of six" for Christmas, for example, as there's no logic for it. You had advisors showing false graphs to try and scare people. You're having rules applied one week for one area and ignored the following week for another.

Consistency and openness was key on this; the government failed miserably on both counts.

 

[davek]

This is the understandable reaction to the decision Anderson and Rotherham made to fight for the restaurants to stay open:



People are angry and confused enough withiut our local civc 'leaders' adding to the confusion.

 

[davek]

They were released the other day, where it showed the most dangerous places for transmission. Surprisingly, buses/trains weren't massive factors, but that's because of enhanced cleaning measures from the start and a massive drop in people actually using them. That, and people wear masks on them, which they don't when eating/drinking/running in other settings.

But yes, gyms/bars/nightclubs were worse than restaurants. I see your point about bars and restaurants being interchangable, but with restaurants they've had a big focus on table service only and are generally a lot bigger spaces than your average pub, so they are less of a risk. Not much less, but still less of a risk.

Well, that isn't facts, that's an anecdote as it stands...

 

[Tubey]

Well, that isn't facts, that's an anecdote as it stands...

No there's actual figure/studies on it, just can't find it right now. It showed transmission rates across all settings.

By the way, that tweet you quoted - anyone who calls for gyms to remain open in the midst of a pandemic is an actual idiot. They should never have been re-opened - literally ground zero for viral transmission.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Anderson confirming that restaurants will not only stay open, but they will extend opening hours to 10.30 from 10pm.

I'm sorry, but how on earth is that logical when pubs and betting offices and gyms are being shut down?

The virus doesn't enter restaurants then?

But all of this is just a short term solution to a long term problem, no idea what they are doing tbh. All this might bring numbers down in the hard hit areas but at the end of the day all it takes is for one person to have symptoms dormant in their body and as soon things open again, that person spreads and it flares up again.
Bozo needs to step off and admit he has lost control of this and take that moron Hancock with him however i don't really see anyone ready to guide the country through these harsh times.

 

[Blues Harp]

Can't just lock up older people as they are more likely to vote Tory!

As Father Ted once said, "funny how you get more right wing as you get older."

Not me mate, could never stoop so low as to become a scummy tory.

 

[BlueToff]

Away from the virus in a way, but the push to 'cyber' has now started.

Worldwide, too.

It's 1984.

 

[Tubey]

But all of this is just a short term solution to a long term problem, no idea what they are doing tbh. All this might bring numbers down in the hard hit areas but at the end of the day all it takes is for one person to have symptoms dormant in their body and as soon things open again, that person spreads and it flares up again.
Bozo needs to step off and admit he has lost control of this and take that moron Hancock with him however i don't really see anyone ready to guide the country through these harsh times.

The idea has never been to get rid of this. That's impossible. The objective has been to spread out the duration and not to have it "peak" and overwhelm health services.

So a two week full on lockdown, which resets the progress of the disease and stops it rising exponentially, would have made sense, but the government couldn't bring themselves to do it due to the economic consequences.

But if they'd had done it and businesses had certainty that there'd be no other lockdown for, say, two months, it'd have worked well. Instead, we see all this half-arsing from a government too afraid to make a mistake.