Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

It does make you think.

In Merica, early days, NYC copped it real bad; now, although areas of Merica are still struggling, NYC seems all fine and dandy. Similar to London over here.

@LinekersLegs @RAFUH

Am I talking bollox here?

They did have a good summer and overall numbers are still OK but it appears a second wave is starting which authorities are trying to tamp down before it gets out of hand

The Northeast Held the Virus in Check. Now Cases Are Inching Up Again.

The Northeast, devastated by the coronavirus in the spring and held up as a model of infection control by summer, is now seeing early signs of a second wave.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

You in charge of the death camps then? What's the age cut off point 40? 50? Etc.

Don’t think I’ve ever advocated rounding people of a certain age up and putting them in camps.

 

[davek]

Lives? Do you think those that are breaking the restrictions don't know that? They are making a choice that there lives are intolerable sticking by these rules when a. they are not at risk. and b. that their jobs, business, communities will not exist either if everything shuts down. All you are doing is making people fearful which exacerbates everything. Business owners get twitchy fingers, banks get more anxious, consumers get worried, employees get stressed, landlords get twitchy. Stop terrorising people.

No, underlining that we all need to be vigilant.

 

[davek]

Not sure that's answered my question.

Simply that if she's a key worker then key workers in the last lockdown had their kids in school.

 

[davek]

I think the research shows we are getting better at treating though, thankfully.

From an epidemology point of view i agree, its getting out of control again in Europe. To be honest, i think most of us in health care have been saying consistently that the second wave was predictability obvious in Oct to March 20/21. Certainly were i work weve been planning for this since the start of the summer.

In many ways this is the real start of the pandemic, as a lot of natural advantages were there in the late spring and summer in Europe, to help with the necessary measures of controlling this, being outside, ventilation, empowering good will.

Different story now, flu season, busy winter period in health care, fatigue with covid, not much good will standing out in the rain and cold queuing or shutting pubs and restaurants with unwelcoming conditions of getting out of the house.

A lot of conditions there to see this increase hugely during winter.

Seems to me a bit of chicken being played by politicians, the popular political motivation holistically seems to be seen politically to be able to manage living with Covid. We are in an environment now were i see epidmology best advice competing with politics and political profile projection - all across Europe really. Its a dangerous game.

There is an argument there for a circuit breaker lock down or something very close, but that window will close soon, if people are to have a normalised Christmas period i mean that from mid Nov through to Jan. I think a key consideration is Christmas, economically on the high street, but also in terms in being with other households etc. If governments dont get cases down before mid Nov, i think they risk loosing the economy in that time and also loosing a hold on the spread of this, as i think people will just take their chances over Xmas and say sod it, impossible to police to.

For me anyway, im looking at it like this, two separate pandemic experiences- one we've been through in Spring and Summer and one we are entering into this Autumn winter, what we think we know holistically will be different.

Completely agree with all that. Just this rider to your post: all that should help us IF we remain vigilant and focus. Any failure in that respect and we have a catastrophe in the making. Your point about the time being now to crack right down in order to get the benefit is key.

 

[davek]

But that's not a solution because it's going to be here for a long, long time, isn't it.

And every time stuff opens again, there'd then be a spike.

We'll have vaccines and we'll learn new treatments. We'll get our back on track within a year.

 

[bebo86]

Sorry

No but know 2 that have died from it and my dad now got it.

Sorry to hear mate

 

[Kenshin]

You in charge of the death camps then? What's the age cut off point 40? 50? Etc.

lol lol lol

This death camp nonsense.

It's almost like if they go outside they can catch a virus that could well kill them compared to staying at home where they won't catch it.....

Tell old people to go out = kill them

Tell old people to stay indoors and shield= compared to a death camp or prison.

 

[WA Toffee]

I probably shouldn’t be saying it out loud but the suffering I’m seeing due to lockdown measures far outweighs that I’ve seen caused by the virus directly. We need to take reasonable steps to protect each other (masks, washing or sanitising hands regularly, social distancing) but this thing could be with us for a while. People need to be allowed to get on with their lives as much as possible.

Maybe, just maybe, if all the selfish tw@ts actually adhered to social distancing, wearing masks, washing hands etc for just a few weeks, life would already be back to pretty much normal. We managed it in Australia just fine, and now with the exception of Victoria, we have hardly any restrictions still in place.

Make no mistake, it is all the people complaining about restrictions and ignoring them that is keeping this thing going. Civil disobedience is not the solution, it is the problem. Time to grow up.

 

[davek]

Dave what's your gripe against the hospitality sector?
Its peoples livelihoods at stake hear and they risk losing everything.

I've no idea if you still work or retired, but out of curiosity will you be still earning/working during this second lockdown?
Will you be able to survive paying your bills and putting food on the table because in the very near future some of these people wont be able to.

I'm earning P/T and it's stuff I have always had to do from home since I got it. There's no difference for me. That's different for people who have jobs outside the home, for sure. But my point has always been that its a political choice for workers to be laid off with or without payments that see them through. The government dod that first time round, they have moved that way again and will do so nce this storm really begins again. The full furlough will be back. Until then, 2/3rds of pay will be there.

Not ideal to say the least, but that brings me to the bigger issue here, which is that there's a more fundamental issue to recognise - and I said this earlier today - there's two schools of thought: you either prioritise people's lives and treat this as a real existential threat for millions of our people for a year or so OR you prioritise livelihoods instread. Yes, you can have both those types of people being sympathetic to the other side, but essentially people do make that stark choice. I fully understand how some priortise livelihoods, but that's not me.

 

[Billy Dean]

 

[summerisle]

Before this is over I’m sure most families will experience a death. That doesn’t justify destroying the lives of all those who haven’t yet reached theIr autumn or winter.

The Nazi policy Lebensunwertes Leben (Life Unworthy of Life) should become your new username.

 

[tommytowne]

What do people make of that SNP lass blaming her having Covid as the reason she travelled to Scotland?
"Having the virus makes people do things totally out of character"
Not a bad excuse I suppose

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

The Nazi policy Lebensunwertes Leben (Life Unworthy of Life) should become your new username.

Not sure I have at any point said any person or group is unworthy of life (the idea of anyone being worthy or unworthy of life is ridiculous in and of itself).

 

[Jebus_lives]

See my post above ^

We need to accept that some people are going to die. It can’t be helped.

Thank you for your sacrifice