Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

Anyone on hear had it?

I here a few on hear have had it

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

My ailing father on dialysis will die if he catches it. He still accepts that the world needs to keep turning. He has lots of friends and ex students who are being crippled by the governments over zealous measures. The show must go on.

Thank you for your sacrifice

Most of us have people we love who are vulnerable.

 

[summerisle]

Not sure I have at any point said any person or group is unworthy of life (the idea of anyone being worthy or unworthy of life is ridiculous in and of itself).

Semantics.

Current Affairs - Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

Let's see what happens on the restaurants. They may stay open under some circumstances, they may close. But they will be closed begfore long. They are incubators as much as any pub is. And if they are allowed to sell alcohol there'll just be a stampede to them and they'll try and explout that...

www.grandoldteam.com

 

[summerisle]

I can't believe it's not contagious.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Most of us have people we love who are vulnerable.

Most aren't advocating deliberately abandoning them.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

@summerisle

Accepting that a global pandemic will kill people does not equate to believing that certain people are unworthy of life or deserve to die.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Most aren't advocating deliberately abandoning them.

Shutting down entire sectors of the economy is deliberately abandoning people’s livelihoods. Financial hardship isn’t just losing a job, people often lose their homes and marriages as a consequence. We can’t keep doing it.

 

[JLW]

I'm earning P/T and it's stuff I have always had to do from home since I got it. There's no difference for me. That's different for people who have jobs outside the home, for sure. But my point has always been that its a political choice for workers to be laid off with or without payments that see them through. The government dod that first time round, they have moved that way again and will do so nce this storm really begins again. The full furlough will be back. Until then, 2/3rds of pay will be there.

Not ideal to say the least, but that brings me to the bigger issue here, which is that there's a more fundamental issue to recognise - and I said this earlier today - there's two schools of thought: you either prioritise people's lives and treat this as a real existential threat for millions of our people for a year or so OR you prioritise livelihoods instread. Yes, you can have both those types of people being sympathetic to the other side, but essentially people do make that stark choice. I fully understand how some priortise livelihoods, but that's not me.

You know what mate that’s a fair comment. I can see why there are two ways of looking at this, my way and your way, I just don’t believe all the figures we’ve been given regarding deaths and how it’s deemed Covid has killed them, and with that less people being hospitalised and death rate very low but more infections (But that could be due to more testing) I don’t think a lockdown is necessary. Im tired of reading the deaths/new cases, it would be nice for MSM or government to tell us how many people have been infected, needed no treatment and was back to normal in whatever time (a few weeks or a few days) give the people some hope. It’s constant scaremongering like it’s a death sentence and it really isn’t that for 99% of the people who get it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You know what mate that’s a fair comment. I can see why there are two ways of looking at this, my way and your way, I just don’t believe all the figures we’ve been given regarding deaths and how it’s deemed Covid has killed them, and with that less people being hospitalised and death rate very low but more infections (But that could be due to more testing) I don’t think a lockdown is necessary. Im tired of reading the deaths/new cases, it would be nice for MSM or government to tell us how many people have been infected, needed no treatment and was back to normal in whatever time (a few weeks or a few days) give the people some hope. It’s constant scaremongering like it’s a death sentence and it really isn’t that for 99% of the people who get it.

1% of the population is 670,000.

Welcome to the point.

 

[RAFUH]

Anyone on hear had it?

I have not, but eight in my extended family have

 

[JLW]

1% of the population is 670,000.

Welcome to the point.

And?

 

[Deckard2049]

lol lol lol

This death camp nonsense.

It's almost like if they go outside they can catch a virus that could well kill them compared to staying at home where they won't catch it.....

Tell old people to go out = kill them

Tell old people to stay indoors and shield= compared to a death camp or prison.

Are people only just realising the uncomfortable truth that we basically evaluate decisions we make as a society with reference to age all the time? That's why the NHS considers age when they're deciding on funding for treatments. But apparently we can’t consider age in any aspect of our response to the pandemic? Even when the objective data spells it out time and time again.

It's easy to sit back and preach the idealistic stance of "any amount of lifespan is worth any cost" when you're not actually involved in any decision making process.But if you're actually trying to come up with a realistic solution for society, and not just giving the least offensive answer, you will inevitably have to fill in some answer when it comes to what cost is no longer worth paying for X amount of life expectancy.

The age profile of the most likely effected should have bearing on the actions we choose to take now, because that is how we make and have always made a lot of medical policy decisions.

Carrying NICE over the threshold

www.nice.org.uk

I wonder what the cost of the response has been.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Shutting down entire sectors of the economy is deliberately abandoning people’s livelihoods. Financial hardship isn’t just losing a job, people often lose their homes and marriages as a consequence. We can’t keep doing it.

I agree. I don't understand why you think that a casual disregard for the lives of the 'rich and elderly'* is a corollary of that.

*Not sure Covid19 is that discerning by the way.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Are people only just realising the uncomfortable truth that we basically evaluate decisions we make as a society with reference to age all the time? That's why the NHS considers age when they're deciding on funding for treatments. But apparently we can’t consider age in any aspect of our response to the pandemic? Even when the objective data spells it out time and time again.

It's easy to sit back and preach the idealistic stance of "any amount of lifespan is worth any cost" when you're not actually involved in any decision making process.But if you're actually trying to come up with a realistic solution for society, and not just giving the least offensive answer, you will inevitably have to fill in some answer when it comes to what cost is no longer worth paying for X amount of life expectancy.

The age profile of the most likely effected should have bearing on the actions we choose to take now, because that is how we make and have always made a lot of medical policy decisions.

Carrying NICE over the threshold

www.nice.org.uk

I wonder what the cost of the response has been.

What legislation governs response to a major incident? And what legislation covers commissioning for general public?

Somewhere in the answer to that question, you'll find the answer to yours.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Some people in a pandemic will lose their jobs and their house. It's time we all started accepting that....

My 19 year old nephew has a mansion and 6 Ferraris and a job as top inner city businessman and he has said he's happy to give it all up so that we don't have to let 70 year olds die.