Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

If the Government isnt planning to give vaccines to anyone under 50 who hasn't health complications I can't see how they can continue to expect said under 50's to continue to stick by the rules that ultimately do nothing for them long term.

If the virus is as deadly as they say why should some 45 yr old bloke socially distance for 18 months, potentially lose his job/livelihood in the process amongst the strain on his mental health and relationships only for him to be told in 18 months time to crack on as normal as his neighbour John who is 50 is now vaccinated and is safe but he could still (whilst statistically a lower chance) get seriously ill or worse from it as he isn't getting a vaccine!

They are also planning on giving a vax to young children. Under 8s iirc.

Think it through.

 

[Goat]

More people have died from Covid-19 than in the past 5 flu seasons combined
Earlier this morning, President Trump falsely claimed in a tweet that coronavirus is “in most populations far less lethal" than the flu.
More people in the United States have died already from coronavirus than those who died from influenza during the past five flu seasons combined.
Here's a look at the numbers: The first person known to have died from coronavirus in the United States died on Feb. 29, according to Johns Hopkins University. Seven months later, more than 210,000 Americans are dead. Remember, the “typical” flu season runs about 7 months, from October to April.
According to CDC estimates, this is how many Americans have died from the flu in recent seasons:

• 2019-2020: 22,000 (preliminary)
• 2018-2019: 34,000 (preliminary)
• 2017-2018: 61,000 (preliminary)
• 2016-2017: 38,000
• 2015-2016: 23,000
• 2014-2015: 51,000
• 2013-2014: 38,000
• 2012-2013: 43,000
• 2011-2012: 12,000
• 2010-2011: 37,000

About 178,000 people died in the five flu seasons running from 2015 until 2020, while more than 210,000 people died of coronavirus this year.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

They are also planning on giving a vax to young children. Under 8s iirc.

Think it through.

I dont know if its changed but the last article I read was over 50's and those with health complications only.

I just dont see what those in their 30's-40's have to benefit from the whole thing - they aint young enough to be completely in the clear from potential serious illness from catching the virus and their likely to be the most likely to suffer financial hardship of the lockdown (boomers largely already have their mortgages paid off / close to retirement whilst the youngun's likely still living at home / no mortgage tied around their necks).

I saw in the paper yesterday someone in their late 20's died of this with no health risks so its still potentially deadly I think if we all lockdown together we should all be vaccinated together.

For someone like me who's not far off 30 and has a family to support its a no win - I've lossed money/work, I could still technically get seriously ill from catching the virus but unless I could go private my only hope of some immunity is catching the kin thing a few times.

 

[Kenshin]

If the Government isnt planning to give vaccines to anyone under 50 who hasn't health complications I can't see how they can continue to expect said under 50's to continue to stick by the rules that ultimately do nothing for them long term.

If the virus is as deadly as they say why should some 45 yr old bloke socially distance for 18 months, potentially lose his job/livelihood in the process amongst the strain on his mental health and relationships only for him to be told in 18 months time to crack on as normal as his neighbour John who is 50 is now vaccinated and is safe but he could still (whilst statistically a lower chance) get seriously ill or worse from it as he isn't getting a vaccine!

To draw on earlier posts I have made.

Given that the vaccine is going to the sick and old rather than the young. Given that the infections are majority in the young under 40 who have seen hardly any deaths since this started.

Does this total restriction on everyone still seem like it makes sense? If they are planning that for the vaccine then this blanket shutdown makes less sense if they know the risk for those age groups is small enough to not warrant the need for a vaccine.

Again would it make more sense to simply protect those worthy of a vaccine and let the ones deemed fine enough to not need it to just get things running again in the shorter term?

If anything that is an indication of what I have been saying being known to the ones In charge like.

 

[roydo]

I dont know if its changed but the last article I read was over 50's and those with health complications only.

I just dont see what those in their 30's-40's have to benefit from the whole thing - they aint young enough to be completely in the clear from potential serious illness from catching the virus and their likely to be the most likely to suffer financial hardship of the lockdown (boomers largely already have their mortgages paid off / close to retirement whilst the youngun's likely still living at home / no mortgage tied around their necks).

I saw in the paper yesterday someone in their late 20's died of this with no health risks so its still potentially deadly I think if we all lockdown together we should all be vaccinated together.

You read wrong.

The vax, (if/when we have one), will be initially the over 65s, plus the vulnerable, and the young'uns.

Then, supplies dependent, the over 50s.

That way, there is a degree of protection across the generations, assuming you cant catch the thing from a Vaxed person.

 

[Deckard2049]

To draw on earlier posts I have made.

Given that the vaccine is going to the sick and old rather than the young. Given that the infections are majority in the young under 40 who have seen hardly any deaths since this started.

Does this total restriction on everyone still seem like it makes sense? If they are planning that for the vaccine then this blanket shutdown makes less sense if they know the risk for those age groups is small enough to not warrant the need for a vaccine.

Again would it make more sense to simply protect those worthy of a vaccine and let the ones deemed fine enough to not need it to just get things running again in the shorter term?

If anything that is an indication of what I have been saying being known to the ones In charge like.

Someone will be along shortly to tell you all about “long Covid”....

 

[summerisle]

As someone who lives near Bristol, my experience has been this. Everyone had adhered to all the rules, quite cheerfully in my experience. My eldest lives in Bristol, and he tells me the same in town. There have been a few raves and large gatherings, (that slave statue, remember), but either by luck or good judgement, this thing has largely passed us by. Compared to other places anyrate.

Bristol has a similar population and ethnic mix to Liverpool; weather has been similar; so it can only be personal choices as far as I can tell.

Liverpool's population is 902,000, Bristol's 686,000, Liverpool University student numbers is around 55,000, Bristol's around 26,000. The numbers of coronavirus cases amongst students has shown to be high so you could posit the argument that is one of the reasons why cases are rising in Liverpool.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You read wrong.

The vax, (if/when we have one), will be initially the over 65s, plus the vulnerable, and the young'uns.

Then, supplies dependent, the over 50s.

That way, there is a degree of protection across the generations, assuming you cant catch the thing from a Vaxed person.

So when would say myself under 30 be looking at getting one?

I get the most vulnerable getting it first - but I just dont get how they can expect those 30-50 to treat this thing seriously as it should be if they are then told by Boris that they wont be getting vaccination for a long time (if ever!).

 

[summerisle]

The article below gives a full list of cases of corona virus by local authorities.

Wirral Covid-19 cases back on the rise in latest figures

Wirral's Covid-19 weekly infection rate is back on the rise, according to latest figures.

www.wirralglobe.co.uk

 

[kenada_blue]

Do we know how much testing is down in the North vs South too?

Not from the report I saw on the news. But they did gather figures based from actual hospital admissions. There were 100+ admissions per day for covid in the northwest compared to 8 in the south west for example

 

[roydo]

So when would say myself under 30 be looking at getting one?

I get the most vulnerable getting it first - but I just dont get how they can expect those 30-50 to treat this thing seriously as it should be if they are then told by Boris that they wont be getting vaccination for a long time (if ever!).

Because we generally dont just mingle, shop, go the pub, with folks our own age.

If everyone takes it seriously, which lets face it, means washing your hands, SD, and wearing a mask in a shop, then we may well get the thing in retreat. (which I doubt)

 

[Kenshin]

Someone will be along shortly to tell you all about “long Covid”....

That does seem to be the new buzzword now yeah. Been a lot of buzzwords over the past 6 months.

Noone knows just what amount of people have long covid however. Or what long covid actually is , is there an actual defenition of symptoms? Because if there is I would love someone to educate me further In the matter.

 

[kenada_blue]

As someone who lives near Bristol, my experience has been this. Everyone had adhered to all the rules, quite cheerfully in my experience. My eldest lives in Bristol, and he tells me the same in town. There have been a few raves and large gatherings, (that slave statue, remember), but either by luck or good judgement, this thing has largely passed us by. Compared to other places anyrate.

Bristol has a similar population and ethnic mix to Liverpool; weather has been similar; so it can only be personal choices as far as I can tell.

But you're even talking central London which is drastically low compared to the north and nowhere near being labelled at risk.

It has to be a number of factors.

The point is more trying to figure out are the lockdown measures and restrictions working in one place but not another? If so, why?

 

[kenada_blue]

Liverpool's population is 902,000, Bristol's 686,000, Liverpool University student numbers is around 55,000, Bristol's around 26,000. The numbers of coronavirus cases amongst students has shown to be high so you could posit the argument that is one of the reasons why cases are rising in Liverpool.

Which has been noted that the big Uni cities in the north has caused a spike. But the gap is still massively disproportionate between North and South that there's more to it

 

[Deckard2049]

That does seem to be the new buzzword now yeah. Been a lot of buzzwords over the past 6 months.

Noone knows just what amount of people have long covid however. Or what long covid actually is , is there an actual defenition of symptoms? Because if there is I would love someone to educate me further In the matter.

It’s used by people whose primary source of debate and discussion is fear. A majority of people are now more afraid of the social and economic implications of our response to the virus than they are of actually contracting the virus.

The new strategy is to stress the potential long term effects of Covid in order to bring people around to your viewpoint and in order to win their compliance.