Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Just something to think about:

After the best part of three months everything opened up again on 5th July and things were fine.

Schools opened up the first week in September and everything has gone nuts again.

Obviously schools need to be open, but maybe just maybe that’s potentially where one of the biggest problems may lie ?
Perhaps pure coincidence?

I'd imagine since the end of July cases very slowly started to rise. Coincides with us all wearing a mask places. Means nothing but a sheer coincidence.

Given the sheer amount of things opening up , normality creeping back in, social lives getting back to normal, drunk nights out, shoppers wearing less masks , workplaces packing workers back in after shielding ends etc. It's pure coincidence that schools going back has seen more cases. Given that the virus is meant to have an incubation period of 2 weeks , you can date it back before schools opened.

Plus given the numbers of infected, much less kids are positive than it seems , the story just inflates in the media to make it sound much worse. I'd love to know how many countrywide are testing positive as I only hear any cases in Liverpool in general news.
 
Perhaps pure coincidence?

I'd imagine since the end of July cases very slowly started to rise. Coincides with us all wearing a mask places. Means nothing but a sheer coincidence.

Given the sheer amount of things opening up , normality creeping back in, social lives getting back to normal, drunk nights out, shoppers wearing less masks , workplaces packing workers back in after shielding ends etc. It's pure coincidence that schools going back has seen more cases. Given that the virus is meant to have an incubation period of 2 weeks , you can date it back before schools opened.

Plus given the numbers of infected, much less kids are positive than it seems , the story just inflates in the media to make it sound much worse. I'd love to know how many countrywide are testing positive as I only hear any cases in Liverpool in general news.
I could not agree with this point it has everything in it.
 
University is a big problem.

The courses could have easily be done at home but then what about the 9k a year plus the landlords missing out on the student rent and young people being used as scapegoats.
My lad is paying for an Open University course it seems right now.
It’s just crazy.
No face to face teaching is just awful.
 
So, one of my locals was packed tonight - I just went down for an hour at about 8.

That's good for them. But then it doesn't really stop the spread of virus at all - if anything it just increases it in a short space of time - and packs more people into a small area, even though they have a capacity in it now and then overspill outside. Also means everyone leaves at once.

What's the point.
 
Perhaps pure coincidence?

I'd imagine since the end of July cases very slowly started to rise. Coincides with us all wearing a mask places. Means nothing but a sheer coincidence.

Given the sheer amount of things opening up , normality creeping back in, social lives getting back to normal, drunk nights out, shoppers wearing less masks , workplaces packing workers back in after shielding ends etc. It's pure coincidence that schools going back has seen more cases. Given that the virus is meant to have an incubation period of 2 weeks , you can date it back before schools opened.

Plus given the numbers of infected, much less kids are positive than it seems , the story just inflates in the media to make it sound much worse. I'd love to know how many countrywide are testing positive as I only hear any cases in Liverpool in general news.

and @COYBL25

I remember in August the gov made a point - through media - of saying that when schools opened there would be trade offs.

Basically this is the trade off.

Had this discussion with my dad last night, though, in regards to the Uni students.

I totally agree schools have to be back. People who are parents and need to work simply can't be looking after their kids in the day forever, it's not sustainable. Plus, the school system needs to be kept going, it is key.

But... Uni wise, could there not have been another way around it? Just say all courses were home learning - they might as well be any way - and defer students going to the unis/halls whatever until next spring?

It's not like 18/19-year-olds or older need any looking after like an 8/9-yr old does.

Just seems it could have been a sensible trade off and stopped the risk of loads of students spreading it around the country.

I mean, the real solution is to get on with it and get back to normal, but the government managed to contribute net zero towards that being able to happen over the course of the last six months and we are where we are.
 
So, one of my locals was packed tonight - I just went down for an hour at about 8.

That's good for them. But then it doesn't really stop the spread of virus at all - if anything it just increases it in a short space of time - and packs more people into a small area, even though they have a capacity in it now and then overspill outside. Also means everyone leaves at once.

What's the point.

All my locals have been packed whether they shut at 12 or 10pm.
 
It seems to me the government are going down the herd immunity route without actually saying they are. These new rules/curfews are probably just about keeping the people needing hospital treatment to a manageable number for the NHS, but also in the meantime the vast majority infected will catch it and ride it out at home in bed.
 
I can see the logic behind the pub closing ours. There’s not a lot the gov can do without a full lockdown so it makes sense. It’s not perfect but it might help a little and a little is better than nothing.

Shorter opening hours means less time inside for transmissions to take place. I’d imagine they’re also banking on it putting more people off going. There are obviously still a load of Darwin Award hopefuls who take it as some personal challenge to drink as much as they can by 10pm but I suspect less patrons are in the pub over the course of one shift than previously.

It might look like it’s rammed because people are cramming in before 10pm but they were still rammed last weekend when open later.
 
Just something to think about:

After the best part of three months everything opened up again on 5th July and things were fine.

Schools opened up the first week in September and everything has gone nuts again.

Obviously schools need to be open, but maybe just maybe that’s potentially where one of the biggest problems may lie ?
While I do not think it's the only factor and probably not even the main factor, I do suspect that it influence and may have been understated or undervalued.

My eldest daughter knows five close friends who've tested positive within the last two weeks: symptoms have been minor and mostly like a cold, which is a worry.

My wife's schools have had multiple cases of staff, children and parents, with bubbles having to be closed. All this suggests it's rife throughout schools.

Perhaps there was no evidence of transmission between children and staff and vice versa because it was either not being tested for or wasn't in that part of society.
 
Just something to think about:

After the best part of three months everything opened up again on 5th July and things were fine.

Schools opened up the first week in September and everything has gone nuts again.

Obviously schools need to be open, but maybe just maybe that’s potentially where one of the biggest problems may lie ?
On my daily travels I pass 2 schools,the nursery up to junior type,the amount of "yummy mummies"congragated before and after annoys me,theres an ice cream van by one of them,loads gather round that,the other has a supermarket next door and is rammed with the same people and their kids after lessons end,I also go past the crematorium,same there upwards of 50/60 people outside hugging,kissing,shaking hands and not a mask in sight
 
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