Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

I really hope every precaution I've made has been for nothing.

Nothing would please me more.

My daughters home has had 2 quite major outbreaks over the last few months, roughly about 40 positive tests and sadly a few deaths, but they have been spot on with the PPE so much so that my daughter had an anti-body test the other day that was negative.

Which to me suggests that things are worthwhile.

Same. Well, not the daughter bit, the precaution bit.

 

[Kenshin]

I really hope every precaution I've made has been for nothing.

Nothing would please me more.

My daughters home has had 2 quite major outbreaks over the last few months, roughly about 40 positive tests and sadly a few deaths, but they have been spot on with the PPE so much so that my daughter had an anti-body test the other day that was negative.

Which to me suggests that things are worthwhile.

As I say time will tell on this front. Some things now are silly and beyond the realms of reality. Others are bang on the money and part and parcel of the next 6 months.

We won't know until this time next year. All we can do is take precautions still. I can't see these precautions going away for a while but then that's not what I meant. The arse end (hopefully) of a pandemic needs precautions in place. I just mean all the other stuff going on in regards to it.

 

[Tir Eoghain Blue]

More than 90% of Americans who died of COVID-19 had other diseases

According to the CDC's latest death data, 94 percent of people who have died of the infection in the US had at least one pre-existing condition, such as obesity, high blood pressure or heart disease.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Figures released from the CDC. Time to open the country and economy (USA) as well as the schools. The main thing is to protect the elderly and limit contact at nursing homes/hospitals

 

[Brennan]

More than 90% of Americans who died of COVID-19 had other diseases

According to the CDC's latest death data, 94 percent of people who have died of the infection in the US had at least one pre-existing condition, such as obesity, high blood pressure or heart disease.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Figures released from the CDC. Time to open the country and economy (USA) as well as the schools. The main thing is to protect the elderly and limit contact at nursing homes/hospitals

You are aware I presume that over 40% of Americans have a chronic health condition ?

 

[neil999]

More than 90% of Americans who died of COVID-19 had other diseases

According to the CDC's latest death data, 94 percent of people who have died of the infection in the US had at least one pre-existing condition, such as obesity, high blood pressure or heart disease.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Figures released from the CDC. Time to open the country and economy (USA) as well as the schools. The main thing is to protect the elderly and limit contact at nursing homes/hospitals

It's about not overwhelming the health service

 

[LostLegend]

 

[spectateur]

That is something that I have thought all along about the virus. Part and parcel of the existing information being treated as brand new information just because we have all been too ignorant to bother to learn it before in relation to any other virus in our society.

I can't say I have any idea about these things but the possibility that having the (or any) virus in your system but not in a infection amount has always intrigued me. I wonder if we would test positive for the flu or any other regular virus at any given point much the same? It doesn't apply to the numbers who got sick but more so the current testing numbers in comparison with hospital cases.

It's something that is almost impossible to read into online these days given the overall topic of conversation being said but it's an interesting thought none the less.

Herpes is a virus that remains in the body. Can break out as chicken pox, shingles or just those nasty sores.
What if covid lurks like that?.

 

[Kenshin]

Herpes is a virus that remains in the body. Can break out as chicken pox, shingles or just those nasty sores.
What if covid lurks like that?.

I am curious as I say about the ability to detect viruses in the human body without them being sick. That would he similar yeah.

It would better explain the asymptomatic patients as they aren't ever sick but just have part of the virus. Same as antibody tests, detecting antibodies created for a much smaller amount of the virus than could make someone sick alongside it.

Possibly explain why so many cases are being reported as positive as well. If the virus is there but in a smaller and less potent amount then technically it would pose much less risk than 5 months ago. In much the same way the flu doesn't run rampant but still possible for someone to catch it at any point of the year.

Have no idea personally if it's possible, never really looked into it before.

 

[zzr45]

Herpes is a virus that remains in the body. Can break out as chicken pox, shingles or just those nasty sores.
What if covid lurks like that?.

Radiation Sickness occurs when the body is exposed to a very high dosage of radiation in a short time. This is different to chronic Radiation syndrome which is the build up of radiation over a period of years.

We wouldn’t test someone off the street, find evidence of radioactivity within their body and declare they had Radiation sickness. We might make changes to the environment to prevent the build up of the syndrome, but we wouldn’t then list anyone dying with radiation in their body as having died with either syndrome. There’d need to be a clear link.

It’s why the entire Binary Yes/No of COVID testing is so odd.

 

[Tipp blue]

Cases going up and down in Ireland from 200+ to just over 50 per day and then back up again but there hasn't been a death for 10 days and hospital numbers remain low.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Hospital figures - 4 deaths have been announced for today, one up on yesterday and the exact same total as last Monday. All 4 deaths came in English hospitals, one up on both yesterday and last week with just the one occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average remains unmoved at 8.43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, the announced total of deaths is 2, one up on yesterday and 2 down on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 9.71

For the 60 day cut off, the announced total of deaths is 1, one down on yesterday’s eventual announced total of 2 and 3 down on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 19.71

For the Legacy/No cut off, the announced total of deaths is 3, three down on yesterday’s eventual announced total of 6 and 2 down on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls very slightly to 50.43

But but but the Daily Mirror keep telling me we are soon to be back in lockdown and our kids are dying all around us.

Sooner they open Goodison the better cant wait to get back mask or no mask

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 10 deaths announced in total today, up 6 on yesterday and down 5 on last Tuesday. 9 were in English hospitals, up 5 on yesterday and down 6 on last week with 5 occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average falls to 7.71

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 3 deaths were announced today, up one on yesterday and down 13 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 7.86

For the 60 day cut off, 4 deaths were announced today, 3 up on yesterday and down 27 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 15.86

For the Legacy/No cut off, 7 deaths were announced today, up 4 on yesterday and down 77 on last Tuesday. The 7 day rolling average falls hugely to 39.43

Worth noting that today’s figures, particularly in the all settings, are lower than normal for a Tuesday owing to it being a bank holiday yesterday

 

[Catfish Blues]

Possibly explain why so many cases are being reported as positive as well. If the virus is there but in a smaller and less potent amount then technically it would pose much less risk than 5 months ago. In much the same way the flu doesn't run rampant but still possible for someone to catch it at any point of the year.

The following is based on the premise that it's mostly older people who get really sick, and ultimately die. My guesswork assumes that only old people get admitted to hospital, which is plainly wrong, but a ) the error will be similar for both timescales and b ) probably isn't massively wrong anyway


Very roughly, looking at the graphs, in weeks 33 and 34, about 2000 people aged 60 or above tested positive. Roughly 600 people were admitted to hospital in England in the last two weeks, so about 30%

For all weeks, the same numbers are about 115,000 and 113,000, so near enough 100%

On the face of it, that suggests that, as a %, less infected older people are ending up in hospital. But, certainly until the peak, very few people were being tested unless they were admitted to hospital, so the earlier numbers excluded anyone who was either asymptomatic or had only minor health issues. I think I read somewhere that about half those testing positive in care homes recently were asympomatic, so, if I havn't dreamt it, then that immediately brings the two numbers closer together.

It may be that I'm interpreting the numbers to support my view that the virus hasn't changed much ? But I think the data is purely showing us that, in general, older people are taking far more precautions now ( plus care homes are far safer ), and so aren't getting infected as they were in March to May. If those precautions for those at risk are relaxed, then we'll probably end up with increasing numbers of hospital admissions.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

As expected a Weegie lockdown isn't really a lockdown, compared to Aberdeen's.
Expected .

 

[spectateur]

Latest results from Wirral show a disturbing increase in cases - principally among women under 30. Reports the Guardian.
What's going on there?