Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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zzr45 said:
www.nytimes.com

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.
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Interesting. May explain the higher number of infections/less hospitalisation.
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That is something that I have thought all along about the virus. Part and parcel of the existing information being treated as brand new information just because we have all been too ignorant to bother to learn it before in relation to any other virus in our society.

I can't say I have any idea about these things but the possibility that having the (or any) virus in your system but not in a infection amount has always intrigued me. I wonder if we would test positive for the flu or any other regular virus at any given point much the same? It doesn't apply to the numbers who got sick but more so the current testing numbers in comparison with hospital cases.

It's something that is almost impossible to read into online these days given the overall topic of conversation being said but it's an interesting thought none the less.
 
Kenshin said:
Perhaps we will see this next period as an overreaction in hindsight given all the panic still being drummed up? Or it was pre warning what was to come? As you say time will tell.
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Nobody knows the answer to that mate.,
But, genetically, the virus now, is pretty much identical to the one which killed, or at least contributed to killing, tens of thousands of people over the course of a few months.

Maybe those tiny genetic differences are enough to mean that if we went back to living our lives how we did pre-pandemic we'd be fine ? But personally I'd want to hear more than a few scientists say it's a "maybe" before we did so.

Chances are, that if we stopped social distancing, threw away our masks, all went back to the office, opened up large indoor events and stopped getting stressed about going to see gran in the care home, then the virus would start to spread again at an exponential rate. and start to take out about 5 to 10% of the weak and infirm that it didn't catch up with last time round.

We've got some reasonable treatments now, and generally have a better idea of what to do with the sick, and what not to do, so the fatality rate per infection might not be so bad, but it seems like a high risk strategy.

At the moment, despite the infection rate growing, there's no indication of any serious ( direct ) effect on public health, so we'll probably keep on tweaking things until hospitalisations start to rise. At that point, pretty much like always, it'll then be a case of deciding what level of hospitalisations and deaths we're willing to accept.
 
Kenshin said:
So these anti virus protests in London today, with 10000 people turning up to protest tells us one thing.

How pathetic protests have become in this country.

Why is it that if 10k assemble for remaining in the EU or BLM that is a credible argument but 10k protest against what we get told about covid will be passed off like a joke?

Because it is a joke, we know those in London today are talking out of their arse.

Maybe we should stop jumping on every band wagon now a mass protest that has no credit is happening? Just because people protest in numbers doesn't mean it's a valid point or shouldn't have opposition. Today proves that they should have opposition, even if the others have less of it than today.

I feel today's protests are again motivated by Americans rather than British people just believing what they are protesting for. Same as mask conformity , we know what they are protesting for is ridiculous and completely wrong.

Just maybe we should apply just a touch of that skeptical attitude to any protest? Rather than repeat what the other ones say?
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Really because one protest is about political expression and the other is encouraged mass gathering of people despite scientific advice.

It isn’t complicated, trust the qualified expert.

Any mass gathering now is madness full stop.
 
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Cool_Blue said:
Mass beer garden brawl erupts at Glasgow nightclub

I mean, what can you do? Idiots everywhere in this country.
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It's Scotland mate, they have an image to maintain.

edit : Just had a look at the video, mass brawl is a bit of an exaggeration by the journos. The coppers had to be called, but it's the sort of thing which wouldn't normally get mentioned outside the immediate area.
 
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Hospital figures - 3 deaths have been announced today, down 3 on yesterday and the exact same total as last Sunday. All 3 were in English hospitals, 3 down on yesterday and 2 down on last week with all occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average remains at 8.43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, just the one death was announced for today, 11 down on yesterday and 5 down on last Sunday. This sees the 7 day rolling average fall to an even 10

There has been no data announced for the 60 day and Legacy cut offs as yet
 
Hospital figures - 4 deaths have been announced for today, one up on yesterday and the exact same total as last Monday. All 4 deaths came in English hospitals, one up on both yesterday and last week with just the one occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average remains unmoved at 8.43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, the announced total of deaths is 2, one up on yesterday and 2 down on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 9.71

For the 60 day cut off, the announced total of deaths is 1, one down on yesterday’s eventual announced total of 2 and 3 down on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 19.71

For the Legacy/No cut off, the announced total of deaths is 3, three down on yesterday’s eventual announced total of 6 and 2 down on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls very slightly to 50.43
 
Kenshin said:
You know what , the thought had never occured to me before. It was only reading other posts in this thread over the past week and others simply suggesting it that put the thought in my mind in regards to the virus becoming less potent.

Be interesting the next few months anyhow . I believe that 12 months from now we can look back and see some of the ridiculous talk about the virus as what it is. Things that people desperately want to believe to be true just wasn't, from odd symptoms to more political stand points . What they will be , we will find out same as we will find out what was true as well.

Perhaps we will see this next period as an overreaction in hindsight given all the panic still being drummed up? Or it was pre warning what was to come? As you say time will tell.
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I really hope every precaution I've made has been for nothing.

Nothing would please me more.

My daughters home has had 2 quite major outbreaks over the last few months, roughly about 40 positive tests and sadly a few deaths, but they have been spot on with the PPE so much so that my daughter had an anti-body test the other day that was negative.

Which to me suggests that things are worthwhile.
 
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