Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Goat]

Careful now.

That sort of article doesn't tow the narrative that people keep telling each other.

It's a great example of the other side of the arguement with the whole pandemic. The part that people argue until they are blue in the face about. It's that argument that is apparantly wrong if a doctor isn't saying it.

Just shows that herd immunity works then, that people shouldn't fear for their lives and this reliance on numbers every day could be very much misplaced , possibly.....

That's if you agree with the article .

Maybe you should ask the 500,000+ families who have lost a loved 1 if people should fear for their life.

You people are worse than us people.

You people think everything is fine and there's nothing to worry about.
We think everything is not fine.

But you know what, if we are wrong, people wont die, if you are wrong, well you know what happens then.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Says in the red echo that joe anderson lost 3 stone due to his fear of coronavirus. Hes disgusting. If I lost 3 stone I'd be dead.

Do it

 

[Kenshin]

Maybe you should ask the 500,000+ families who have lost a loved 1 if people should fear for their life.

You people are worse than us people.

You people think everything is fine and there's nothing to worry about.
We think everything is not fine.

But you know what, if we are wrong, people wont die, if you are wrong, well you know what happens then.

So what about the 77 thousand deaths every year on average from smoking then?

Before you give the whole big speech about it, 77000 a year , that's 77000 loved ones die from smoking related illnesses.

Yes I get that loved ones are being lost to this but they aren't the only ones who die through preventable measures. In fact, covid isn't preventable , smoking is. It's the biggest preventable death in this country , in any country around the world.

So why does that not matter? A virus without a cure has killed people , same as it does every year in a multitude of ways. We are all taking precautions and following advice to make sure that number doesn't increase anymore including wearing a mask in this bloody heat. We all are adhering to rules out in place to prevent more people dying from covid-19.

Yet it's a cheap argument when you forget that people die , twice as many die through something entirely preventable. In fact people forget that people die. Right now 10 covid deaths are being reported as major depressing news rather than positive news for once. Because chances are ,anywhere near twice to 10 times as many died that day from smoking related illness.

But there isn't any clamour to ban smoking , to do something about that is there? Because of tax or whatever argument you want to use.

Except that is killing loved ones every single day.

Why not have perspective. Why not after 4 months have perspective on everything else instead of still acting like we are still in crisis mode?

 

[Goat]

So what about the 77 thousand deaths every year on average from smoking then?

Before you give the whole big speech about it, 77000 a year , that's 77000 loved ones die from smoking related illnesses.

Yes I get that loved ones are being lost to this but they aren't the only ones who die through preventable measures. In fact, covid isn't preventable , smoking is. It's the biggest preventable death in this country , in any country around the world.

So why does that not matter? A virus without a cure has killed people , same as it does every year in a multitude of ways. We are all taking precautions and following advice to make sure that number doesn't increase anymore including wearing a mask in this bloody heat.

Yet it's a cheap argument when you forget that people die , twice as many die through something entirely preventable. In fact people forget that people die. Right now 10 covid deaths are being reported as major depressing news rather than positive news for once. Because chances are ,anywhere near twice to 10 times as many died that day from smoking related illness.

But there isn't any clamour to ban smoking , to do something about that is there? Because of tax or whatever argument you want to use.

Except that is killing loved ones every single day.

Why not have perspective. Why not after 4 months have perspective on everything else instead of still acting like we are still in crisis mode?

I haven't said we are in crisis mode.

Ive said a few times that opening up is the way to go, we need a degree of normality.

But we should also remain vigilant.

I smoke, I know it will kill me, my family know it will kill me. I also know crossing the road can get me killed, driving down the road can get me killed, eating that extra slice of cake will also hasten my death.

So sure you believe stories like the 1 linked, me I'm still going to show a degree of fear.

Fear is ok, it doesn't stop me continuing my life, it just means that I don't think we are out the woods yet.

 

[Billy Dean]

So what about the 77 thousand deaths every year on average from smoking then?

Before you give the whole big speech about it, 77000 a year , that's 77000 loved ones die from smoking related illnesses.

Yes I get that loved ones are being lost to this but they aren't the only ones who die through preventable measures. In fact, covid isn't preventable , smoking is. It's the biggest preventable death in this country , in any country around the world.

So why does that not matter? A virus without a cure has killed people , same as it does every year in a multitude of ways. We are all taking precautions and following advice to make sure that number doesn't increase anymore including wearing a mask in this bloody heat. We all are adhering to rules out in place to prevent more people dying from covid-19.

Yet it's a cheap argument when you forget that people die , twice as many die through something entirely preventable. In fact people forget that people die. Right now 10 covid deaths are being reported as major depressing news rather than positive news for once. Because chances are ,anywhere near twice to 10 times as many died that day from smoking related illness.

But there isn't any clamour to ban smoking , to do something about that is there? Because of tax or whatever argument you want to use.

Except that is killing loved ones every single day.

Why not have perspective. Why not after 4 months have perspective on everything else instead of still acting like we are still in crisis mode?

Apples and oranges.

 

[Kenshin]

I haven't said we are in crisis mode.

Ive said a few times that opening up is the way to go, we need a degree of normality.

But we should also remain vigilant.

I smoke, I know it will kill me, my family know it will kill me. I also know crossing the road can get me killed, driving down the road can get me killed, eating that extra slice of cake will also hasten my death.

So sure you believe stories like the 1 linked, me I'm still going to show a degree of fear.

Fear is ok, it doesn't stop me continuing my life, it just means that I don't think we are out the woods yet.

But that's the thing.

I don't see the point of masks now and say they should have been there 4 months ago. Doesn't stop me wearing one when I go shopping.

I don't have any fear of dying from the virus or passing it onto someone who is vunerable as I don't work with anyone who is classed as such , yet I wear a mask and keep social distance.

I still don't go anywhere out of the same routine of shopping, work and home. I hardly have saw people even now , and when I do I social distance.

So if I am going out of my way to do all of this despite having no fear or any potential chance of passing it on then what is the point?

The point being is because I'm doing what I've been told to do .

So is it possible that someone can not agree with everything and still follow the rules? That article is from a doctor, not my own words. I was called out for not being a doctor before, so there you go.

All I am saying is that why can't we have perspective? You choose to smoke, fine, you aren't the only one who does and that's the choice you make. If you drop dead from smoking related diseases then that could have been prevented. That number this year though is far bigger than covid-19 will be, same as worldwide. And it's preventable!

If the death toll is 10, that should be a good thing now given what that number was in the beginning. I don't believe we should still be in this mindset that everything is doom and gloom when the numbers have dropped that much. Especially given despite all of that, I am still taking precautions to protect others. So if we all still keep taking precautions but start to think positive, isn't that the way to get out of this?

 

[Kenshin]

Apples and oranges.

How so?

If 50000 die from covid-19 this year , that was completely out of our control.

If 77000 for example die from smoking related illnesses , that could have been prevented.

Why is the preventable death rate (the bigger number) dismissive?

 

[PhilM]

I think the idea was to get as many as possible in a proper mask, (worked), but if you dont have one to hand, it isnt that big a deal. (As long as most have a proper one on).

I saw a bloke a while back in Sainsburys with a WW2, or WW1 (wasnt at either) gas mask on. Utterly useless!!

Anyone who chooses to wear a full service respirator apart from when it’s absolutely necessary is clearly bonkers - horribly claustrophobic and hot just standing.

 

[Goat]

But that's the thing.

I don't see the point of masks now and say they should have been there 4 months ago. Doesn't stop me wearing one when I go shopping.

I don't have any fear of dying from the virus or passing it onto someone who is vunerable as I don't work with anyone who is classed as such , yet I wear a mask and keep social distance.

I still don't go anywhere out of the same routine of shopping, work and home. I hardly have saw people even now , and when I do I social distance.

So if I am going out of my way to do all of this despite having no fear or any potential chance of passing it on then what is the point?

The point being is because I'm doing what I've been told to do .

So is it possible that someone can not agree with everything and still follow the rules? That article is from a doctor, not my own words. I was called out for not being a doctor before, so there you go.

All I am saying is that why can't we have perspective? You choose to smoke, fine, you aren't the only one who does and that's the choice you make. If you drop dead from smoking related diseases then that could have been prevented. That number this year though is far bigger than covid-19 will be, same as worldwide. And it's preventable!

If the death toll is 10, that should be a good thing now given what that number was in the beginning. I don't believe we should still be in this mindset that everything is doom and gloom when the numbers have dropped that much. Especially given despite all of that, I am still taking precautions to protect others. So if we all still keep taking precautions but start to think positive, isn't that the way to get out of this?

Think positive, live your life.

Im not saying I'm walking around with a doom is me sandwich board, I'm living my life.

 

[Billy Dean]

How so?

If 50000 die from covid-19 this year , that was completely out of our control.

If 77000 for example die from smoking related illnesses , that could have been prevented.

Why is the preventable death rate (the bigger number) dismissive?

Smoking and a contagious virus are different things completely.

 

[Kenshin]

Smoking and a contagious virus are different things completely.

Yes, one is entirely preventable.........

It's the biggest preventable illness that kills people in the world.

Literally we could save thousands of lives , millions even if tobacco was banned tomorrow.

There is even the point that smokers are more suspectible to dying from covid, contributing to covid numbers as well.

But literally millions of lives in the next 10-20 years would be saved by banning tobacco. Numbers that dwarf covid-19.

So why aren't we taking preventable measures against them?

 

[Billy Dean]

Yes, one is entirely preventable.........

It's the biggest preventable illness that kills people in the world.

Literally we could save thousands of lives , millions even if tobacco was banned tomorrow.

There is even the point that smokers are more suspectible to dying from covid, contributing to covid numbers as well.

But literally millions of lives in the next 10-20 years would be saved by banning tobacco. Numbers that dwarf covid-19.

So why aren't we taking preventable measures against them?

Measures have been taken. Smoking is banned in public places so that those who choose to smoke are less likely to damage the health of people who choose not to.

 

[Kenshin]

Measures have been taken. Smoking is banned in public places so that those who choose to smoke are less likely to damage the health of people who choose not to.

But here's the thing.

Why are all these measures in place? To prevent deaths right? Yet significantly more die that we don't take measures about and that's just glossed over.

When this is all over we will look at the death number for covid and have a heavy feeling inside for what happened. Yet noone gives a damn that more people die from smoking in the same time frame that could have been prevented.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Measures have been taken. Smoking is banned in public places so that those who choose to smoke are less likely to damage the health of people who choose not to.

In England alone, 78,000 people a year - or 200 per day - die from smoking. In addition to the human cost, smoking costs the economy £14.7 billion per year, £2.5 billion of which falls to the NHS.

£2.5 billion of the NHS budget up in smoke every year and that’s acceptable? OK.

 

[evilwebby]

If more tests are being done then more cases have been found.

People still have the virus , just significantly more fit and well people who are asymptomatic on a the whole. I find it interesting that we hear about the positive tests but never the type of cases. I feel it would be more helpful to hear that 70 cases were sick rather than just 70 cases.

It kinda creates two different worlds. Back in march cases were meaning deaths, now they aren't. It's still obviously important that the cases are still low and whatnot. I just wonder how many people are actually still getting sick from the virus and how many asymptomatic people are out of the positive tests, there is nothing telling us that.

But I'm still in the theory that if everyone on the country was tested tomorrow, we would see thousands of new cases overnight, even if they aren't sick.

I haven't really run the numbers, but I would have thought the relevant metrics are the number of official new cases as a percentage of the number of tests being carried out. Although # new cases seems to be creeping up again, we are also doing more testing too, so it might just be that the true incidences of CV19 aren't increasing, just that we're capturing more of them in the general population.

The rolling number of deaths is also the other metric that I track. This hasn't really moved any higher, so it fits in with the narrative that the real number of cases hasn't really increased, assuming the fatality rate amongst all cases (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) is still constant.

I do admit though that things look much different some some countries where the situation is still getting worse, or they are experiencing a very long and drawn out peak.