Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tipp blue]

I know you're trying to avoid it, but there's a good bit of "old people's lives don't matter as much" in your argument there.

It's true that Sweden's mortality rate, while very high, compares favourably to a couple of other countries, but doing better than the UK is hardly a resounding success is it? Objectively speaking, compared to most other countries of similar size, it has fared very badly even though it was one of the quickest to implement the measures it did take. And even if you did somehow consider it a success, it's one country. Not implementing lockdowns has been disastrous elsewhere.

And there are a lot of other variables that scientists haven't gotten a handle on. This is purely speculation on my part, but I imagine levels of voluntary compliance with social distancing and self-isolation vary wildly between countries. Social-mindedness is considered to be a lot higher in Sweden than in the UK and Swedish citizens are probably more likely to exercise discretionary restraint in terms of maintaining social distance and avoiding unnecessary travel. In contrast, in this thread alone, we have had:

• People refusing to wear a mask because they don't like being "told what to do"
• Racists going on pub crawls while simultaneously blaming Muslims and Asians
• A lad almost bragging about going to one of the worst hotspots in America on a stag party complete with smiley face emojis

Some countries are just more primed to follow social health advice. But lockdowns are a good black and white restriction for countries who have too many titheads to rely on a generally positive social response.

The cold hard reality is that the vast majority of those dying are people who have been kept alive using modern medicine. If we want a health care system that keeps people alive into their late 80s, 90s and beyond then you have to expect that mother nature will be working on ways to thin the herd.
I know it will be hard to hear but most of those dying are people who's time was naturally up a long time ago. In Ireland the life expectancy is 82 years the average age of death from Covid19 is 84..
It really annoys me when people say things like, "you are saying old people's lives don't matter" because you are failing to look at it from any sort of sane reality, every disease has more of an effect on older people, their bodies are weaker and immune system are weaker, that's just reality.. so saying people are ageist or that they don't believe that old lives don't matter because they comment on how that disease has more of an effect on older people us just pandering to the hypocrisy of the PC brigade. I know my opinion won't be popular here but o don't care, the sad fact is that if we weren't keeping people artificially alive with drugs and modern equipment then this disease wouldn't even have gotten 5 minutes of news time.

 

[BlueStevie35]

On the mask issue, I’ve seen customers either not wearing or incorrectly wearing their masks around the shop, and complaining that it’s too hot while wearing them in ear shot of staff who will have, for the most part, been wearing them continually for 5-6 hours

I personally, for this upcoming week, have got to wear a mask, save for breaks, for 11-12 hours, from 8am (starting work at 9) till after 7pm tomorrow, Thurs and Fri and from 10am (starting work at 11.30) till 10pm Tues and Weds, due to being given overtime

 

[Catfish Blues]

I think indoor staff should wear masks unless the company has a strict testing/screening policy. Maybe even a bit of training so those in the food sector don't lick their fingers to open plastic bags wouldn't go amiss.

Booths have a policy that all staff ( barring medical exemptions ) on the shop floor wear masks.

They also tend to employ staff who seem genuinely friendly and can string a coherent sentence together. Just a shame that they're expensive, but you can't have everything.

 

[zzr45]

There’s been a fairly substantial outbreak in South Staffs, seems a bar worker went in with symptoms and spread it far and wide, although the SD within the bar was also minimal at best. There’s pubs and restaurants that are doing it right, others getting it very, very wrong.

 

[WA Toffee]

The cold hard reality is that the vast majority of those dying are people who have been kept alive using modern medicine. If we want a health care system that keeps people alive into their late 80s, 90s and beyond then you have to expect that mother nature will be working on ways to thin the herd.
I know it will be hard to hear but most of those dying are people who's time was naturally up a long time ago. In Ireland the life expectancy is 82 years the average age of death from Covid19 is 84..
It really annoys me when people say things like, "you are saying old people's lives don't matter" because you are failing to look at it from any sort of sane reality, every disease has more of an effect on older people, their bodies are weaker and immune system are weaker, that's just reality.. so saying people are ageist or that they don't believe that old lives don't matter because they comment on how that disease has more of an effect on older people us just pandering to the hypocrisy of the PC brigade. I know my opinion won't be popular here but o don't care, the sad fact is that if we weren't keeping people artificially alive with drugs and modern equipment then this disease wouldn't even have gotten 5 minutes of news time.

So would I be right in assuming that you don't care how many old people die, as long as it doesn't inconvenience you?

 

[The binman chronicles]

The cold hard reality is that the vast majority of those dying are people who have been kept alive using modern medicine. If we want a health care system that keeps people alive into their late 80s, 90s and beyond then you have to expect that mother nature will be working on ways to thin the herd.
I know it will be hard to hear but most of those dying are people who's time was naturally up a long time ago. In Ireland the life expectancy is 82 years the average age of death from Covid19 is 84..
It really annoys me when people say things like, "you are saying old people's lives don't matter" because you are failing to look at it from any sort of sane reality, every disease has more of an effect on older people, their bodies are weaker and immune system are weaker, that's just reality.. so saying people are ageist or that they don't believe that old lives don't matter because they comment on how that disease has more of an effect on older people us just pandering to the hypocrisy of the PC brigade. I know my opinion won't be popular here but o don't care, the sad fact is that if we weren't keeping people artificially alive with drugs and modern equipment then this disease wouldn't even have gotten 5 minutes of news time.

Although it is the vast majority there are still far too many people that are going way before their time.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Has the death rate dropped because of less infected or is the virus starting to weaken/mutate into a less deadlier strain?

 

[Billy Dean]

"Masks make us slaves" lol

They literally only have to wear them in shops or on public transport. Everything else they can do without a mask.

 

[Prevenger17]

The cold hard reality is that the vast majority of those dying are people who have been kept alive using modern medicine. If we want a health care system that keeps people alive into their late 80s, 90s and beyond then you have to expect that mother nature will be working on ways to thin the herd.
I know it will be hard to hear but most of those dying are people who's time was naturally up a long time ago. In Ireland the life expectancy is 82 years the average age of death from Covid19 is 84..
It really annoys me when people say things like, "you are saying old people's lives don't matter" because you are failing to look at it from any sort of sane reality, every disease has more of an effect on older people, their bodies are weaker and immune system are weaker, that's just reality.. so saying people are ageist or that they don't believe that old lives don't matter because they comment on how that disease has more of an effect on older people us just pandering to the hypocrisy of the PC brigade. I know my opinion won't be popular here but o don't care, the sad fact is that if we weren't keeping people artificially alive with drugs and modern equipment then this disease wouldn't even have gotten 5 minutes of news time.

Wtf does the PC brigade have to do with anything? I'm not even sure what your point is here, but I'll do my best to pick it out of your deranged nonsense.

Deckard implied that Sweden's mortality rate was actually okay if you discounted old people. Which is mad, because that is mainly who is dying from this virus. These elderly people get sick, they go to hospital, the health system gets stretched, frontline healthcare workers get sick and the cycle goes on. So yes, old people form the bulk of the frightening death rates we're seeing around the world. What exactly is your point? We should revert to medieval medical practices and let the average life expectancy be 50 again?

 

[jaycee]

Wtf does the PC brigade have to do with anything? I'm not even sure what your point is here, but I'll do my best to pick it out of your deranged nonsense.

Deckard implied that Sweden's mortality rate was actually okay if you discounted old people. Which is mad, because that is mainly who is dying from this virus. These elderly people get sick, they go to hospital, the health system gets stretched, frontline healthcare workers get sick and the cycle goes on. So yes, old people form the bulk of the frightening death rates we're seeing around the world. What exactly is your point? We should revert to medieval medical practices and let the average life expectancy be 50 again?

Shove your PC,bring back the old days when we could abandon the weak,sick,old and disabled in forests,mother nature will sort it

 

[Walken]

The cold hard reality is that the vast majority of those dying are people who have been kept alive using modern medicine. If we want a health care system that keeps people alive into their late 80s, 90s and beyond then you have to expect that mother nature will be working on ways to thin the herd.
I know it will be hard to hear but most of those dying are people who's time was naturally up a long time ago. In Ireland the life expectancy is 82 years the average age of death from Covid19 is 84..
It really annoys me when people say things like, "you are saying old people's lives don't matter" because you are failing to look at it from any sort of sane reality, every disease has more of an effect on older people, their bodies are weaker and immune system are weaker, that's just reality.. so saying people are ageist or that they don't believe that old lives don't matter because they comment on how that disease has more of an effect on older people us just pandering to the hypocrisy of the PC brigade. I know my opinion won't be popular here but o don't care, the sad fact is that if we weren't keeping people artificially alive with drugs and modern equipment then this disease wouldn't even have gotten 5 minutes of news time.

A post that is actually quite a disturbing read, like finding some of ted bundys early diaries

 

[Prevenger17]

A post that is actually quite a disturbing read, like finding some of ted bundys early diaries

If he were living in the US there would be Feds digging up his back garden

 

[Billy Dean]

Just been watching the news in Germany. Seems it's mostly far right AfD supporters who are moaning about the restrictions.

 

[Charro]

Just been watching the news in Germany. Seems it's mostly far right AfD supporters who are moaning about the restrictions.

Strange considering far right policies are all about restricting freedoms.

 

[Tramps_mate]

There’s been a fairly substantial outbreak in South Staffs, seems a bar worker went in with symptoms and spread it far and wide, although the SD within the bar was also minimal at best. There’s pubs and restaurants that are doing it right, others getting it very, very wrong.

I fully expect them to be closed down again...