Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Sorry @LinekersLegs it's just unacceptable to me at this point.

At all costs. This isn't a game. My mom, stepdad, father, the last couple living grand parents I have who live in Florida.

I asked please wear a mask for months at my retail job. I'm done with it.
 
Sorry @LinekersLegs it's just unacceptable to me at this point.

At all costs. This isn't a game. My mom, stepdad, father, the last couple living grand parents I have who live in Florida.

I asked please wear a mask for months at my retail job. I'm done with it.
I understand your frustration and anger mate, I truly do - feels like I’ve been banging the “mask-up” drum since March!

But taking a swing at people who won’t wear one is unlikely to make them change - far more likely to land yourself in trouble.
 
I agree, I go to work with the sniffles but now I’m asking myself can I really do that given the advice?

I have been strict with the guidance, I have a snood for shops but I honestly don’t know how the general aches and pains will play out come late September.
If you* start to get a sore throat or show any other symptoms over the winter, you get a test as soon as possible. This may have to be done regularly.

Yes it’s uncomfortable and you may have to take a day off here or there, but that’s what everyone should do to help manage the virus over the winter.

*Not you personally but a generic person.
 
Before you know it your whole house has lost 2 months of money and your living in a hostel.


Back in late May a colleague of my wife's came down ill with recognised symptoms, all those who had contact with her were sent some to isolate... The colleague was reasonable poorly, ending up in hospital, three tests she had in 11 day period before the third and final one confirmed she was positive with COVID,. Herself and othee colleagues were recalled back into work after the fist test, 4 days in.
 
The numbers are just getting crazy now around the world, I wonder if we will soon see 500k cases per day. Meanwhile airports are open and people are thinking of their holidays. I know life has to continue at somepoint but surely the minimum governments can do at this stage is keep the borders locked until cases/deaths everywhere are on a downward slide.
 
I understand your frustration and anger mate, I truly do - feels like I’ve been banging the “mask-up” drum since March!

But taking a swing at people who won’t wear one is unlikely to make them change - far more likely to land yourself in trouble.

The UK government until very recently was saying the science said masks were not going to help.

Alongside this was the experience of Asia, where mask wearing was clearly having a positive effect.

There was a Newsnight programme on here in early April where the scientist said unequivocally at the time that he has run the biggest worldwide tests of the efficacy of masks and the evidence in favour of masks was completely clear cut.

I have never understood the right wing governments opposition to masks. Such a minor yet effective imposition.
 
As much as I will be happy to take a vaccine once made - I can see why some would worry considering it'll likely be the fastest made vaccine in history.

Obviously you'll get the clowns who just flat out refuse vaccines regardless.
 
The point I was making as regards pillar 1 was that I was acknowledging that a large number of tests undertaken had been duplicate tests on medical staff, so whilst we may have carried out 13,165, 651 it doesn't follow that 13,165,651 people have been tested. Having said that I would have thought quite a few pillar 1 tests would still be getting carried out on frontline medical/care staff who have not yet tested positive for the virus. In fact I'd go as far as saying that it would be downright negligent if those people weren't being regularly tested.

Swab testing of NHS staff is taking place mate, and is basically being done to use spare capacity in Pillar 1. Patient testing at Pillar 1, including admissions, retests and test on discharge to care homes will be running at, very roughly, 25,000 tests a day, which leaves a gap of about 20,000.

In tandem with that, there's a project called SIREN going on which is doing PCR and antibody tests on staff, and they're aiming to get at least 10% of staff at each trust to enrol in that. Anyone enrolled will have fortnightly PCR and blood tests. If they're running at 10%, that's 140,000 a fortnight, so 70,000 a week, or 10,000 a day, so about half of the capacity gap from above. Off-hand, I don't know what the exact take up on that ( and I'm not sure if it's in the public domain so I won't make an educated guess here ), so 10,000 a day may be an under or over estimate.

Incidentally, tests in care homes will ( I think ) be almost exclusively sit in Pillar Two, so they likely basically sit in the "tests sent out" number ?

Also incidentally, less than 10 million tests have actually been carried out, there's a gap of about 3 million caused by ( not yet ) returned tests and tests returned incorrectly which couldn't be processed. It's still a heck of a lot of tests though, so I'm not belittling where we are on testing, because considering the low base we started from, processing more than 100,000 tests a day is a good result.
 
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The UK government until very recently was saying the science said masks were not going to help.

Alongside this was the experience of Asia, where mask wearing was clearly having a positive effect.

There was a Newsnight programme on here in early April where the scientist said unequivocally at the time that he has run the biggest worldwide tests of the efficacy of masks and the evidence in favour of masks was completely clear cut.

I have never understood the right wing governments opposition to masks. Such a minor yet effective imposition.
Right wing governments want to be popular with the sort of voters who don't like to be told what to do for their own good. Y'know.....numbskulls..
 
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