Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Harryflashman]

Do you know why loads of pubs have been open already?

in what respect mate ? In terms of takeaway or open , open ?

 

[coollino]

Tough one mate isn't it. My mother in law is in her 70's and she is very wary of being near the kids and my mum has barely seen them (socially distanced outside her house) for visits.

All we can all do is do our best mate. I've had younger fellas than me genuinely not being arsed, older people not being arsed and so on.

We do what we think is best. Hope the baby is doing well as well mate and your both getting a good night's sleep

Yea it's really difficult but I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at and the child will be around for a long long time

We 'broke the rules' in April allowing garden visits but obv holding is completely different.

 

[mill]

in what respect mate ? In terms of takeaway or open , open ?

People have been telling me that loads of the pubs round theirs (various parts of london) have been open. I’ve not really ventured far from my house recently and so haven’t noticed round here.

just unsure how. How do a pub do takeaway?

 

[coollino]

Genuinely, good on you for sticking with your morals and saying no. Even though the rules are relaxing, I think people still need to consider the situation we're in.

There will be people who'll be blasé and interpret the rules/guidance to their fullest advantage (look I can do this...), but others like yourself will still be cautious.

Even though I've worked throughout, we're careful with regard when we're at home, so my parents have stood at the end of the path or in the corner of the garden.

It's mainly my gf who is being really strict on things but I do agree with this one. I was quite surprised that they even asked.

The thing is, they only get their news from BBC News at 6 and the Daily Mail newspaper. I don't really know what the DM are going for at the moment but it's very limited sources.

Not that I am saying all other sources are great but a printed newspaper and just one news channel (and i am not anti-BBC at all) can be a warped view

 

[Lelouch]

I think it will be a miracle if we avoid a second wave, People didn't listen when it was at it's peak and they still aren't listening now.

 

[tsubaki]

I think it will be a miracle if we avoid a second wave, People didn't listen when it was at it's peak and they still aren't listening now.

TBF this behaviour cannot be separated from government messaging on this, which has been confusing at best and actively undermining (of the lockdown measures) at worst.

 

[Harryflashman]

People have been telling me that loads of the pubs round theirs (various parts of london) have been open. I’ve not really ventured far from my house recently and so haven’t noticed round here.

just unsure how. How do a pub do takeaway?

so the pubs that are open , legally , are selling under their off-license Rather than on . Meaning they are operating as an offy effectively , the rules being they can sell alcohol in sealed containers . Hence you’ll see beer with plastic tops or in jars or the like . People can’t legally sit on tables or chairs outside and are supposed to move away and not congregate.

Certainly in Liverpool early on there was a degree of freedom in this but the council and licensing then looked To crack down due to abuses of the system .

 

[Lelouch]

TBF this behaviour cannot be separated from government messaging on this, which has been confusing at best and actively undermining (of the lockdown measures) at worst.

The government stopped caring a long time ago imo, Long as businesses opening and the £££ is being made they couldn't give a hooters, The majority of British people are arrogant above the law type people anyway so it's hand in hand.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think it will be a miracle if we avoid a second wave, People didn't listen when it was at it's peak and they still aren't listening now.

Was it ever realistic to avoid a second wave? I didn't think any of the scientists were predicting that would be possible as it was unlikely to be tackled until a vaccine was found. Even among those countries that have opened up a fair way, it's still a long way from what might be perceived as normal.

 

[Brennan]

Was it ever realistic to avoid a second wave? I didn't think any of the scientists were predicting that would be possible as it was unlikely to be tackled until a vaccine was found. Even among those countries that have opened up a fair way, it's still a long way from what might be perceived as normal.

Im not a fan of the term to be honest.

What is a second wave ? How many infections and deaths do you need to have for it to be a ‘wave’. Nobody seems to have a consistent answer.

 

[Lelouch]

Was it ever realistic to avoid a second wave? I didn't think any of the scientists were predicting that would be possible as it was unlikely to be tackled until a vaccine was found. Even among those countries that have opened up a fair way, it's still a long way from what might be perceived as normal.

I mean yeah until a vaccine is find it's still lingering about but this is just me assuming because I haven't looked into it, other countries are probably following the guidelines set by the government better than us, With the UK "oh well it's hot lets all just pack onto a beach then innit"

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Im not a fan of the term to be honest.

What is a second wave ? How many infections and deaths do you need to have for it to be a ‘wave’. Nobody seems to have a consistent answer.

Indeed, it's a simplification, but I suppose it's largely gauged by the medium-term trend. If it was previously going largely down or was flat and then goes up consistently, that probably constitutes a wave.

I mean yeah until a vaccine is find it's still lingering about but this is just me assuming because I haven't looked into it, other countries are probably following the guidelines set by the government better than us, With the UK "oh well it's hot lets all just pack onto a beach then innit"

Dunno. I try not to judge people too much. This year has been pretty stressful and there have been few of the normal ways for people to offload some of that stress, so if people do find a way to enjoy themselves then I'm not going to judge too harshly for that. The terrible littering on the other hand, is inexcusable.

 

[toffeejack]

I think it will be a miracle if we avoid a second wave, People didn't listen when it was at it's peak and they still aren't listening now.

Government has lost any control now, i mean the general public have shown they're thick as mud, riots, brawls, constant mass gatherings all over the country, we're in a bloody pandemic, i knew society was getting dumber, but what's going on is beyond what i could have anticipated.

The public has shown it can't be trusted with any easing so it should all be halted right now. The deaths aren't going enough.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Was it ever realistic to avoid a second wave? I didn't think any of the scientists were predicting that would be possible as it was unlikely to be tackled until a vaccine was found. Even among those countries that have opened up a fair way, it's still a long way from what might be perceived as normal.

The UK is currently anticipating 4 different scenarios:

• Virus naturally leaves.
• R falls below 1 for summer and Autumn then increases again in Winter – within manageable surge levels (most likely scenario)
• Virus goes around the globe and returns (quite a real risk)
• Control of the virus is lost as lockdown is eased (most dangerous scenario and would require local lockdowns)

There is no guarantee of a second wave.

 

[peteblue]

Do you know why loads of pubs have been open already?

Pubs are not ‘open’. Pubs, like restaurants are allowed ‘off sales’, which is what many have done to stay in business.....