Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tea_drinker]

Until the virus has mutated to something weaker (which it will) and / or anti-virals are found that hand the vast majority of those vulnerable who catch it a very good chance of survival.

It's about discipline. Not profit. Of course this government dont do discipline, they only do profit. Ergo my request:

DONT GO TO THE SHOPS.

STAY AT HOME.

You should enter big brother. Youd walk it.

 

[roydo]

There's no pockets in a shroud as my old Nan used to say.


Just survive this thing. That is the priority. People will get by.

There has to be a balance mate. After 3 months of it.

I dont know if you picked up on how much money the Government borrowed in April to cover the first month of this. And quite simply, that level of borrowing is not sustainable.

I noticed this weekend that many small shops in the high street have been preparing to open; the tape on the pavement, signs, the stuff we have become accustomed to.

Car sales are (not surprisingly), down 94% from last April. The BOE is preparing another stimulous of £150 Billion next week. Heaven only knows what impact this will have on the general tax grab over the next fiscal year.

So, the trends are well down, a lot of the NHS are actually doing not a lot at the moment, we seem to be able to isolate out breaks, apparently anyrate. Folk need to start feeding themselves.

 

[davek]

So potentially anything from 6 months to 6 years or more. For eternity if needs must. Meanwhile the vast majority of the population who are in fact not vulnerable must develop mental illnesses and watch our lives slide by due to lacking as you call it, 'discipline'.

It wont be that long. Pandemics last a couple of years. They weaken. The medical community will find ways to treat symptoms with drugs in that period.

 

[Harryflashman]

There has to be a balance mate. After 3 months of it.

I dont know if you picked up on how much money the Government borrowed in April to cover the first month of this. And quite simply, that level of borrowing is not sustainable.

I noticed this weekend that many small shops in the high street have been preparing to open; the tape on the pavement, signs, the stuff we have become accustomed to.

Car sales are (not surprisingly), down 94% from last April. The BOE is preparing another stimulous of £150 Billion next week. Heaven only knows what impact this will have on the general tax grab over the next fiscal year.

So, the trends are well down, a lot of the NHS are actually doing not a lot at the moment, we seem to be able to isolate out breaks, apparently anyrate. Folk need to start feeding themselves.

I don’t know the answers and I’m not suggesting I do so I’m sat here clueless but the redundancies are going to start soon .I don’t mean In that cliched line of ‘people have been say lazily sponging at home’ but they have been getting paid and a fair proportion have lost their jobs they just didn’t know it yet . Once the Redundancies start to hit , the mortgage breaks stop and the business start to go under we’ll see a lot of confused and angry people and staying at home isn’t going to be an option for many of them .

 

[Tea_drinker]

It wont be that long. Pandemics last a couple of years. They weaken. The medical community will find ways to treat symptoms with drugs in that period.

What is 'not that long'? I am seriously curious about how long someone would be willing to endure this until even they give it up.

 

[roydo]

It wont be that long. Pandemics last a couple of years. They weaken. The medical community will find ways to treat symptoms with drugs in that period.

So we stay in for 2 years until a mythical treatment/vaccine is worked out?

 

[davek]

There has to be a balance mate. After 3 months of it.

I dont know if you picked up on how much money the Government borrowed in April to cover the first month of this. And quite simply, that level of borrowing is not sustainable.

I noticed this weekend that many small shops in the high street have been preparing to open; the tape on the pavement, signs, the stuff we have become accustomed to.

Car sales are (not surprisingly), down 94% from last April. The BOE is preparing another stimulous of £150 Billion next week. Heaven only knows what impact this will have on the general tax grab over the next fiscal year.

So, the trends are well down, a lot of the NHS are actually doing not a lot at the moment, we seem to be able to isolate out breaks, apparently anyrate. Folk need to start feeding themselves.

This situation so far is costing (headline figures) £350B. The bailout of the financial sector in 2008-09 peaked at almost a trillion (£995B) according to the National Audit Office.

Borrowing is cheap. Very cheap.

I suppose it all depends on how differently you value things: do you want to get the economy up and running and a debt pegged at current figures, or do you believe the greatest probability of easing off the lockdown and opening up the economy is that it will lead to a second wave and take tens of thousands more lives, and therefore is not worth the risk (and will crush the economy completely if it does)?

 

[davek]

So we stay in for 2 years until a mythical treatment/vaccine is worked out?

No. I stated my case: it'll weaken to a point wherby treatment will get on top of it so we can be safe moving around.

 

[roydo]

I don’t know the answers and I’m not suggesting I do so I’m sat here clueless but the redundancies are going to start soon .I don’t mean In that cliched line of ‘people have been say lazily sponging at home’ but they have been getting paid and a fair proportion have lost their jobs they just didn’t know it yet . Once the Redundancies start to hit , the mortgage breaks stop and the business start to go under we’ll see a lot of confused and angry people and staying at home isn’t going to be an option for many of them .

Quite. Which is why we have to gently and sensibly start up again. I reckon social distancing will become the norm for quite a while, as will the hand washing that we all do far more than ever before.

If that is what it takes to minimise a spread, then I am ok with that. Think most would be.

There are some obvious examples of where that is problematic, football stadiums and pubs being the ones that would resonate most on a football forum, but somehow they will be addressed, (no idea about crowds at a match mind).

 

[davek]

What is 'not that long'? I am seriously curious about how long someone would be willing to endure this until even they give it up.

It'll be another 12 months before this weakens in it's contagiousness.

We are 3 months or so into this virus. FFS, you'd think the Earth had suffered a nuclear war.

Just keep disciplined and stay safe.

 

[COYBL25]

So we stay in for 2 years until a mythical treatment/vaccine is worked out?

That’s the plan, then we move onto destroying machinery, stick all the intellectuals in labour camps and we all live happily ever after, singing folk songs around the campfires on our farming collective lol

 

[Deckard2049]

What is 'not that long'? I am seriously curious about how long someone would be willing to endure this until even they give it up.

Apparently “a couple of years” is just a small drop in the ocean

 

[davek]

That’s the plan, then we move onto destroying machinery, stick all the intellectuals in labour camps and we all live happily ever after, singing folk songs around the campfires on our farming collective lol

Who's paying you?

 

[roydo]

This situation so far is costing (headline figures) £350B. The bailout of the financial sector in 2008-09 peaked at almost a trillion (£995B) according to the National Audit Office.

Borrowing is cheap. Very cheap.

I suppose it all depends on how differently you value things: do you want to get the economy up and running and a debt pegged at current figures, or do you believe the greatest probability of easing off the lockdown and opening up the economy is that it will lead to a second wave and take tens of thousands more lives, and therefore is not worth the risk (and will crush the economy completely if it does)?

I think a bit of both is achievable as we are at the moment mate. And yeah, borrowing is cheap, but that only effects the interest, or yield, that a Government pays. The capital needs paying back at some time.

With the banking sector, a huge amount of the spending was taking actual stakes in the banks, so the debt became an investment, kind of. This borrowing is literally dead money.

Christ, piss poor turn of phrase that, but you get the drift. Lobbing a few £000's at me aint gonna be repaid or realised.

 

[davek]

Apparently “a couple of years” is just a small drop in the ocean

Well, we wont be hunting and gathering again will we? We are (so they kept telling us before Brexit) the 5th richest nation in the world.

Time to dig into those reserves and keep people safe. Alternatively you could just say "Ah bollox to it, Johnson's done such a bang on job so far, what could possibly go wrong if I get back into the high Street for hours on end"?