Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Lives saved or deaths postponed? Calculating the cost of lockdowns

While lockdowns undoubtedly avoided large numbers of deaths from the new coronavirus, the repercussions of the pandemic response are expected to blight economies and health systems long after restrictions are lifted. "This is a very difficult calculation to make," Sarah Burgard, a sociologist

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[Jebus_lives]

Of course, I was being trite. It does seem that things have unravelled since the Cummings affair, and the general goodwill that people had towards the government response to the pandemic has evaporated in the last few weeks, which provides space for more dissenting opinions to emerge. Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me a great deal that when the SAGE minutes are published for this period, that this dissent isn't all too visible.

My experience of pre and post Cummings has been:

Pre:
Waiting for national guidance and being told not to do anything as everything was being managed nationally. Lots of national requests for data that wasn't available locally as national systems and guidance was not delivered. Pushing requests up to ministers with little response other than 'wait for guidance'. Messages about 'amplify stay at home'

Post:
Lots of 'this needs to be locally managed' with little or no national guidance. What is pushed back centrally is largely ignored save messaging about how busy central Government is. Questions completely ignored at ministerial level, barely any national 'stay at home' messaging but replaced with 'whatever is relevant in your area' ((completely at odds with the national legislation (how do you stop visitors with no travel restrictions?)), and policy after policy just thrown out to the public without any local consultation or consideration of impact. There have been strategic meetings happening at 3:00pm on Friday addressing one set of conditions which have been completely changed by the 5pm daily briefing.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My experience of pre and post Cummings has been:

Pre:
Waiting for national guidance and being told not to do anything as everything was being managed nationally. Lots of national requests for data that wasn't available locally as national systems and guidance was not delivered. Pushing requests up to ministers with little response other than 'wait for guidance'. Messages about 'amplify stay at home'

Post:
Lots of 'this needs to be locally managed' with little or no national guidance. What is pushed back centrally is largely ignored save messaging about how busy central Government is. Questions completely ignored at ministerial level, barely any national 'stay at home' messaging but replaced with 'whatever is relevant in your area' ((completely at odds with the national legislation (how do you stop visitors with no travel restrictions?)), and policy after policy just thrown out to the public without any local consultation or consideration of impact. There have been strategic meetings happening at 3:00pm on Friday addressing one set of conditions which have been completely changed by the 5pm daily briefing.

Make of that what you will.

Out of interest, what role is Simon Stevens playing in all of this? I can't recall seeing or hearing anything from him at all during all of this.

 

[Moomin]

Out of interest, what role is Simon Stevens playing in all of this? I can't recall seeing or hearing anything from him at all during all of this.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Out of interest, what role is Simon Stevens playing in all of this? I can't recall seeing or hearing anything from him at all during all of this.

Seems to be getting out and about around trusts and issuing lots of staff messages and policy.

He's not leading the Covid response so that's perhaps why.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Seems to be getting out and about around trusts and issuing lots of staff messages and policy.

He's not leading the Covid response so that's perhaps why.

Fair enough. You would expect to hear from the CEO of an organisation as central to an issue like this as the NHS is to be a bit more public-facing, especially as PHE seem to be putting people forward.

 

[Papa Shango]

Its also hardly being pushed.

They should be ramming it down our throat, but as usual, Murder Inc has gone AWOL.

Sad thing is people wont do it because they don't trust it. They think the government will then use it to track peoples movement etc.

And lets face it... they absolutely will too.

What a nation.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Its also hardly being pushed.

They should be ramming it down our throat, but as usual, Murder Inc has gone AWOL.

deffo goat. Like everything this government do it’s always reactive instead of proactive. They are now probably thinking they are on top of this virus so they now feel they don’t have to push anything.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Fair enough. You would expect to hear from the CEO of an organisation as central to an issue like this as the NHS is to be a bit more public-facing, especially as PHE seem to be putting people forward.

You might yes...I couldn't possibly comment.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

UK coronavirus death toll rises by 202

A further 202 people have died from coronavirus in the UK, the Department of Health said today.

 

[Brennan]

My partner has just had her antibody test come back negative. She’s been working on wards with Covid patients in one of the worst affected areas (Hertfordshire).

Leads me to believe a lot of the theories that the disease has spread to lots of people without them realising or that earlier illnesses may have been Covid is probably not the case at all, and that the vast majority still really haven’t had it.

 

[Toast]

My partner has just had her antibody test come back negative. She’s been working on wards with Covid patients in one of the worst affected areas (Hertfordshire).

Leads me to believe a lot of the theories that the disease has spread to lots of people without them realising or that earlier illnesses may have been Covid is probably not the case at all, and that the vast majority still really haven’t had it.

Did she think she had deffo had it mate ?

 

[Brennan]

Did she think she had deffo had it mate ?

She hadn’t had symptoms, I’d had some (tight chest and mild cough) so we didn’t really know.

Apparently less than a third of nurses in her hospital have tested positive which when you consider that most of them have directly interacted with Covid patients is quite interesting.

She herself was treating patients in side rooms with Covid, for example.

 

[Jebus_lives]

She hadn’t had symptoms, I’d had some (tight chest and mild cough) so we didn’t really know.

Apparently less than a third of nurses in her hospital have tested positive which when you consider that most of them have directly interacted with Covid patients is quite interesting.

She herself was treating patients in side rooms with Covid, for example.

This is the big problem with the antibody test, it's mostly useless as a practical thing because it only gives a snap shot and it isn't known exclusively if the antibodies provide protection so at the moment it's benefit is mostly data collection

 

[Goat]