Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Worst part of this whole lockdown has been normally me and the missus have our young lad stay at his nans on a saturday so we can have some alone time and a bit of hanky panky as the walls are paper thin so she wont let me during the week.

Absolutely aching for it

 

[Tea_drinker]

They've had long enough to sort this out and failed with a whimper. After 12 weeks all we have is a half arsed test and trace scheme and zoos. Just pathetic. They've tried and failed, call it off and let us descend on downing street to forcibly remove them and have a huge party.

 

[Tea_drinker]

We should have shut down on or before the horrific press conference on 12 March where we announced stopping of testing and it became clear we were going for herd immunity.

This is not hindsight - plenty said it at the time. If we had, deaths would have been of the order of 10,000- 20,000. Instead we are at 65,000 (based on excess deaths).

The timing of the shutdown was the biggest single factor in success and failure. We shut down too late.

It was delayed cos Johnson had a baby shower lined up at chequers and didn't wanna see himself miss out. The man is a wobbling joke.

 

[Hickson9]

Worst part of this whole lockdown has been normally me and the missus have our young lad stay at his nans on a saturday so we can have some alone time and a bit of hanky panky as the walls are paper thin so she wont let me during the week.

Absolutely aching for it

That explains your angry posts on here

 

[zzr45]

The BBC all but willing a second wave to occur is really odd.

 

[COYBL25]

The BBC all but willing a second wave to occur is really odd.

There’s quite a few on here who wouldn’t be too unhappy either.

 

[sbbefc]

Mate.

Like everybody else you are entitled to your opinion. But instead of making unsubstantiated statements, why don't you take the time out to read the minutes of all the SAGE meetings that took place between the start of this and early May. At that stage in the pandemic, the government were definitely following the science as the SAGE minutes will show. Now it's possible that the scientists were looking for a short term buck rather than looking at the bigger picture.

OK mate. I'd like to know who set the main objective which was to avoid critical cases exceeding NHS intensive care and other respiratory support bed capacity. Because, from what I can gather that was the biggest mistake. I understand that this objective had largely been met, yet we still have the largest death toll in Europe.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to read all the SAGE minutes. So apologies if the answer is there and I didn't find it.

 

[Toast]

There’s quite a few on here who wouldn’t be too unhappy either.

I would like a haircut first.
Then another lockdown would be sound. I miss the empty roads and people being nice to you at work.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

The BBC all but willing a second wave to occur is really odd.

seems to be the case for most of the media, you can just tell they are itching to tell us “We told you so”

 

[blulouie]

Many pubs make little profit as it is, 2 metre distancing makes it impossible for the majority to stay afloat.

Lets be honest about it hey.

Most pubs barring showing footie and a few hours friday & saturday night you can have 10 metre distancing.
Its been that way for a long time.

 

[Barnfred 55]

On March 11, I quoted the WHO telling Governments to take urgent and aggressive action.

On March 13 I made a couple of posts about the impact of exponential growth.

The information was there. The Government made a mistake that has directly led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people. It is up to each individual what they do with that going forwards. I personally wont be voting for this Government.

I live in a busy part of London, the epicentre of the outbreak at the time, and those full pubs in the week after March 16 were disastrous.

The WHO directive would have been generic advice, for individual countries to adopt at the appropriate time. The UK did adopt it. But they got the timing wrong, probably by about 2 weeks as we know.

As regards the second paragraph, I fully accept that you were right and may even have liked your posts as I agree with you. As I said, I also wanted shutdown earlier than it came, and I also criticised the government early doors for not having more checks of people flying into the country and banning large gatherings and sporting events earlier than they did. But at the end of the day you can't deny that the SAGE minutes confirm that the politicians followed the scientific advice throughout the early stages of the pandemic. Mistakes were made. Yes, the politicians could have gone against the advice of their experts, but when lives are at risk I cannot blame then for not doing that, even if I think they were wrong. It's a pity you weren't on the SAGE team to add your twopenny worth.

I don't believe doing full shut down on 16th would have saved tens of thousands of lives for the reasons I already explained. Shutting down on the 9th probably would have. If you want to provide reasons why you believe your views are true I'll happily reconsider that, but I'll need something more than all the pubs in your road were full that week. As I said they were ordered to close from the 20th anyway.

I didn't vote for the Tories in the last election and it is extremely unlikely that I will vote for them in the next either.

For what it's worth, I think since the Cummings disaster they've lost the plot, and when the next set of SAGE minutes are produced I think they'll show that they haven't always followed the science. We've already seen some differing of opinions between politicians and scientists whereas before they were always on the same page.

 

[Hickson9]

The WHO directive would have been generic advice, for individual countries to adopt at the appropriate time. The UK did adopt it. But they got the timing wrong, probably by about 2 weeks as we know.

As regards the second paragraph, I fully accept that you were right and may even have liked your posts as I agree with you. As I said, I also wanted shutdown earlier than it came, and I also criticised the government early doors for not having more checks of people flying into the country and banning large gatherings and sporting events earlier than they did. But at the end of the day you can't deny that the SAGE minutes confirm that the politicians followed the scientific advice throughout the early stages of the pandemic. Mistakes were made. Yes, the politicians could have gone against the advice of their experts, but when lives are at risk I cannot blame then for not doing that, even if I think they were wrong. It's a pity you weren't on the SAGE team to add your twopenny worth.

I don't believe doing full shut down on 16th would have saved tens of thousands of lives for the reasons I already explained. Shutting down on the 9th probably would have. If you want to provide reasons why you believe your views are true I'll happily reconsider that, but I'll need something more than all the pubs in your road were full that week. As I said they were ordered to close from the 20th anyway.

I didn't vote for the Tories in the last election and it is extremely unlikely that I will vote for them in the next either.

For what it's worth, I think since the Cummings disaster they've lost the plot, and when the next set of SAGE minutes are produced I think they'll show that they haven't always followed the science. We've already seen some differing of opinions between politicians and scientists whereas before they were always on the same page.

The WHO were clear. Deal with it aggressively and test, test, test. We failed to heed them.

Ministers and SpAds could and should have challenged the SAGE advice more, based on what was happening elsewhere. That is their job.

Our complete lack of preparedness for this is also the Tories fault, considering they have been in power for 10 years. For example, not implementing the recommendations of Exercise Cgynus and even reducing the size of the PPE stockpile.

 

[whiteshadow]

Took roughly 4 weeks for the impact of lockdown to start showing in the figures. Started lifting restrictions on the 11th May, so I guess you'd expect the figures to start rising shortly if they're going to.

Hopefully they don't.

 

[peteblue]

I was reading the other day, a lot of pub owners were saying (before the announcement by the government) that with all the restriction likely to be put in place in regards to them opening, then they probably won't open up because it will actually cost them more in the long run.

It will do. The costs, with table service, etc etc, will be approx twice as high as normal, yet with probably 50% of the trade. Economics of the madhouse.....but we will see....

 

[peteblue]

So far today, I’ve read one expert who says the numbers would have been halved if we had locked down a week earlier, another one who said the deaths number would have been halved again in the same timeframe, I.e. the first expert was using too high a number. A third expert believes that our stated numbers are actually twice as high as the reality for COVID deaths. So even now, after all this time, our medical experts are proving themselves about as reliable and consistent as our economic experts were back in 2016.....and this was the one time I thought I’d be able to believe them......