arminisgod
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Wartime measures next week. Over 70's quarantined for 4 months. All leisure to shut.
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Indeed:
Telegraph journalist says coronavirus ‘cull’ of elderly could benefit economy
He wrote: 'From an entirely disinterested economic perspective, the COVID-19 might even prove mildly beneficial in the long term by disproportionately culling elderly dependents.’metro.co.uk
It's not actually wrong, but it's a very Tory thing to do to look at it from that viewpoint, and sadly I think that's exactly what Cummings is doing.
ForeverBlue92
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I think people on social media also need to realise that sadly deaths will be inevitable in this outbreak the same as if we were under attack from a foreign country.
No one is saying its ok for people to die but ffs its going to happen and the political point scoring from it is absolutely tedious from both sides.
No one is saying its ok for people to die but ffs its going to happen and the political point scoring from it is absolutely tedious from both sides.
Which makes all this now make sense.
There will be loads who won't follow that instruction of course, but their own death is then on their own head.
Catfish Blues
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You can reduce their risk somewhat, but the elderly with pre-existing conditions are generally reliant on younger people without pre-existing conditions, so, at some point in time, they're going to be exposed to infected people.
The way to reduce their risk is to remove any unnecessary contact with people. I'm sure at some point, that'll be recommended, but the timing will be dependent on how widespread infection amongst the population.
You can take your pick on what multiplier to apply to the confirmed cases to get a number for total infected, and that number is, depending on whose stats you use, somewhere between 10 and 100. As testing becomes limited to hospitalised cases, that number will increase, but if you go with 50 for now, it implies there's 1100 x 50 people infected, or ~55,000.
As that number rises the chances of at risk groups having close contact with an infectious person clearly rises. At the moment, that risk is probably fairly low, but in a week, we could have 250k infected people, so it starts to become significant.
I think they'll start to move fully into the "delay" phase next week, and, as part of that, will start to recommend non-essential contact with at risk groups is kept to an absolute minimum.
The goverments action plan is thin on detail, but, if you've read similar docs before, the implications in it kind of support the above.
edit : The action plan, if anyone's arsed is here
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ForeverBlue92
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Thing is the UK has 1,140 confirmed cases with 21 deaths - all elderly with largely other health conditions.
Thats a death rate of just under 2% - however the government estimate the true number of cases to be anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 people which puts the death rate at less than 1% (around 0.5% I believe for approx. 5000 people infected).
Surely at this stage you could argue the government is handling things okay? Obviously we are behind other countries timescale wise but I think the scaremongering from the media honestly isn't warranted - at this stage anyway.
Literally just read this from Peston. Very sweeping measures.
I have no idea if they would be effective though.
My Granny for example, would have to be quarantined for 4 months and she is out and about every day. It will be tough to implement.
The problem is that escalation of the virus at this point has past form, so we know what to expect. And the governments' strategy thus far has effectively been to do nothing.
I don't think that's a "good job". There's going to be a lot, lot more than 10,000 infected right now - the idea nobody in Knowsley has it is laughable, for instance - and you can probably add a zero on that figure.
My view is it was left too late. As said above, if they want to do the herd immunity thing, fine. But it only made sense to me if very strong measures were put in place to help the elderly and infirm.
I posted this three minutes before Peston did bizarrely - https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...ad-serious-stuff.109382/page-278#post-7718419 - and now measures are in place, it makes sense. But it was left too late.
It would be ignored by a massive amount of them, but at least it's then their decision.
It's better than the current scenario - "you're all going to die, soz abar tha"
Shevin Keedy
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There are many for whom that will not be a choice.
Not if the government does its' job properly.
Nearly everyone is on the electoral roll. They know where these demographics are and live. They can be communicated with, informed and supplied.
ForeverBlue92
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Agree we left things too late - as soon as China was hit hard all borders should have been closed imo although I accept its easier said that done.
I just think at this stage whilst I agree in restricting things like large events/gatherings I wouldn't like to see us go down the road of complete lockdown's and barren city centres based on the current infected numbers - if as predicted thousands have this thing and are coping without medical intervention surely we should be focusing more on the care/isolating of the elderly and those with serious conditions like heart disease, asthma etc?
New Zealand have done that - compulsory quarantine for 14 days.
But to be fair, it was too early at that point to do that.
As soon as it hit Italy and Iran, certain measures should have been in place and were not.
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