Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

Um....the Chinese CDC has already come out and said it didnt come from the wet market. It originated in humans somewhere else.

How does that diminish the point?

 

[Jebus_lives]

I get the concerns about the government, but are their failings going to be lessened by us all sitting at home and doing nothing? If the last three months have taught us anything, that's arguably a big fat no.

I get that there's a need for the public to change their mindset and things like wearing masks on public transport can only be a good thing in my opinion and personally I'd have that become standard operating procedure during cold and flu season, don't particularly care if the screens between me and the checkout staff and proper one way systems around shops stay in place forever.

The media have to sort themselves out as well, far too often have we heard contradictory advice about precautions. Friend made a decent point the other day that Academics are continually being asked for their opinion, but you can guarantee that if one academic has one opinion, another will hold something directly contrary - so in the example of mask wearing it seems to have been a good idea, but media outlets have found the academic who disagrees and did a test with 4 students that found weak evidence and had them share their view - leaving the public completely unsure.

I know I've gone off completely at a tangent there, do get the wisdom but do wonder how much will actually change with us all back in lockdown.

I know this isn't the purpose of your post, but Government failings have, in very real terms, been lessened by a public who have, by and large, been disciplined in their approach and willing to look after the needs of others - despite mixed messages and advice from Government.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Why would you say that? I think everyone able to should get out for an hour or so exercise. Keep a face covering on; keep socially distanced.

Non-essential shops, bars, gyms should be firmly locked down; schools should remain shut and non-essential workers told to remain safely at home. If that happens, maybe we can get to the level achived by France, Spain and Italy...all in the same boat as the UK at one point but now doing way better than us.

How long for though Dave, non essential workers who have their own homes/rent are already struggling as is for money because of furlough, families are struggling to eat because of low amounts of universal credit, kids are losing out on vital examinations. What’s the solution when those struggling inevitably lose everything? When businesses go to the wall because they can’t operate without staff

Yes you may save thousands more from dying from Covid, but you’d see a massive increase of deaths from other means

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Excess deaths (pretty much all coronavirus) now stands at 64,500.

If we hadn’t locked down the figure could have been over half a million.

We had to lock down. We should have done so sooner. Now we need to get infections down to a level our track, trace, isolate capability can manage. Get this at full capacity and we can open up more - until such time as it is we need to be careful.

Its more or less the same posters championing the end of lock down who were trumpeting herd immunity weeks ago, would not give it much validity, it's just regurgitation of Toby Young and his ilk mutterings.

 

[Brennan]

How long for though Dave, non essential workers who have their own homes/rent are already struggling as is for money because of furlough, families are struggling to eat because of low amounts of universal credit, kids are losing out on vital examinations. What’s the solution when those struggling inevitably lose everything? When businesses go to the wall because they can’t operate without staff

Yes you may save thousands more from dying from Covid, but you’d see a massive increase of deaths from other means

Just as one example, my partner works in dermatology, a lot of which is diagnosis/treating skin cancers. They have 600 people on the waiting list for one hospital and have only been able to get 80 of the most high risk patients in due to Covid restrictions. This is despite the fact that there are zero Covid patients in the hospital in question.

They’ve had patients calling up who have no other risk factor for Covid saying they aren’t coming in because they’re shielding, despite the fact they could have a melanoma.

Extrapolate that out across the country just for skin cancer, never mind all of the other cancers.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Just as one example, my partner works in dermatology, a lot of which is diagnosis/treating skin cancers. They have 600 people on the waiting list for one hospital and have only been able to get 80 of the most high risk patients in due to Covid restrictions. This is despite the fact that there are zero Covid patients in the hospital in question.

Extrapolate that out across the country just for skin cancer, never mind all of the other cancers.

GPs have, in spite of quite quickly adapting to circumstance (remote consultation, building adaptation etc), seen large reductions in their activities. It's a ripple across the entire system.

However, urgent care is starting to reopen alongside some other departments so a bit of a return to normal.

The worry, as some areas are reporting, is a complete return to normal written the virus is still present.

 

[COYBL25]

Sadly, there will always be those who take it to the extreme in either direction and that has to (at least to an extent) be put down to the media depiction.

It obviously wasn't the time to say it there and then, but perhaps he will need some coercing to get out the door even if that doesn't mean going on the holiday.

The lack of exercise alone and doing the basics like going shopping, all while socially distancing, will do his mental health the world of good.

The problem is that he’s very obviously made his mind up and when I tried to steer the conversation in a direction he didn’t like his replies became really frosty.

The weekend away is walking up in the Dales on the Lancs/York’s border, staying in a semi cottage. So it’s not like it’s a weekend in Magaluf !!

 

[davek]

You don’t need to get on a bike to exercise.

You are choosing to put emergency services and other people at risk more than necessary because you want to ride a bike rather than just going for a walk.

You are a massive hypocrite.

Dont be angry...when they take the stabilisers off your bike you'll be able to do a few miles.

 

[davek]

How long for though Dave, non essential workers who have their own homes/rent are already struggling as is for money because of furlough, families are struggling to eat because of low amounts of universal credit, kids are losing out on vital examinations. What’s the solution when those struggling inevitably lose everything? When businesses go to the wall because they can’t operate without staff

Yes you may save thousands more from dying from Covid, but you’d see a massive increase of deaths from other means

That's because we didn't do a proper lockdown first time around. Look at France, Italy and Spain for the results when you do.

We have a government not fit for purpose and we have a population too ill-disciplined to carry out any self policing in the absence of proper governance...that get's you 65,000 deaths where other nations like the above have half that amount killed.

Let's start it again, and do it properly. All the stuff you talk about are secondary to staying alive. In a well run nation there would be no issues around accomodation and job security. They are structural factors that become an issue only if they are made into them.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That's because we didn't do a proper lockdown first time around. Look at France, Italy and Spain for the results when you do.

We have a government not fit for purpose and we have a population too ill-disciplined to carry out any self policing in the absence of proper governance...that get's you 65,000 deaths where other nations like the above have half that amount killed.

Let's start it again, and do it properly. All the stuff you talk about are secondary to staying alive. In a well run nation there would be no issues around accomodation and job security. They are structural factors that become an issue only if they are made into them.

Have you noticed how the sociopaths are now dropping in the possible 500,000 deaths so to make 65,000 look good compared to 20,000 deaths they initially predicted as a good result

Such comfort in cold hard numbers.

What's a death when you don't have to bare witness or try your best to manage a lingering gasping death.

 

[Kenshin]

Why is Ikea allowed to open but not Chester Zoo?

Cannot think of a single thing that the government have gotten right about the lockdown - and the eventual easing of measures

You are completely wrong mate.

It makes sense to tell people to wear a mask on a bus 2 months after lockdown.

It makes sense to tell hospital staff to wear masks 2 months after the pandemic started.

It makes sense that we can all go out in groups but can't visit anyone.

It makes sense to only start testing 6-7 weeks after you recognise you are in a pandemic.

It makes sense to have everyone involved in establishing lockdown to break the rules they created.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Have you noticed how the sociopaths are now dropping in the possible 500,000 deaths so to make 65,000 look good compared to 20,000 deaths they initially predicted as a good result

Such comfort in cold hard numbers.

What's a death when you don't have to bare witness or try your best to manage a lingering gasping death.

Who’s actually doing that?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Who’s actually doing that?

Tories... Hancock yesterday dropped it in Suspect minime's will latch onto it.

 

[davek]

Have you noticed how the sociopaths are now dropping in the possible 500,000 deaths so to make 65,000 look good compared to 20,000 deaths they initially predicted as a good result

Such comfort in cold hard numbers.

What's a death when you don't have to bare witness or try your best to manage a lingering gasping death.

It'll get up to 200,000 if this government are left in for another year.

 

[BlueStevie35]

When is the next election? Can we ban Tory voters? Might have a chance then of getting Captain Dumbass, Puppet Master Cummings, HanCOCK and co out and put Starmer or someone how actually has a set in power