Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Ha Ha Ha.

You cant even analyse your own evidence. Dear me, your stock is at an all time low.

But at least you confirm above with that blizzard of BS what I said about genetic 'difference' having no basis for the unequal experience of health workers on Covid.

As for stuff like diabetes and heart disease: they are driven almost exclusively by socio-economic factors and cultural norms. in terms of Sickle Cell, although it's a disease that is associated with black people it's incidence is felt more by people who live in low-income countries and with poor socio-economic status. It's down to class every time. It underlies every major discrimination, and Covid is no different. Sorry if that upsets your delicate sensibilities, but it just does.

And despite what the Nursing Times says, there is clear evidence from ethnic groups within the health service, such as Filipinos, that they are played on by team leaders and trust bureacrats and disproportionatley have faced the worst of the frontline effort in this crisis. https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/n...rd-costing-filipino-nurses-their-lives-160221

They are the sub-class within the working class in the NHS and they suffered the consequences for their low status.

In short: you're wrong. Again.

The irony. The link you provide gives the following anecdote

" One Filipino respiratory nurse told Nursing Standard, said: 'I have learned to speak out and lead a team, but some Filipinos who haven’t been here for very long are still very much in the Filipino culture of keeping quiet and being extremely hardworking. "

or in other words, bugger all to do with the NHS being racist towards such people and using them as cannon fodder to protect the lovely white nurses. You can tell when you're losing it as your spelling goes to pot. There almost certainly is pressure for staff to get back to work, just as there is a lot of pressure on staff to meet targets and so on. That's just a fact of life. In my wife's team, she's one of two Caucasian nurses out of a team of around 20, working under a couple of black managers. They've been pushed to come back, to meet targets, and so on. Are the black managers racist towards the black nurses or is that just the way things are in the NHS?

My own anecdotal experience supports the following too

"Speaking to Nursing Standard last week, NHS race equality expert Roger Kline said there was research evidence that BME staff were less likely to speak out when troubled by workplace issues. ‘The staff most at risk are the most reluctant to raise concerns,’ he said. "

That's a shame, no doubt, but it's not the racism you're trying to pin on people. I've no idea what's happened in your life, but this tendency to throw about the most horrendous slurs willy nilly is most unpleasant.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Begs the question who was doing it up until this point?

Funny how he's now only going to take full control when deaths etc are down and there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. It's almost like he's saying "when things were really bad and there were people dying all over the gaff that wasn't down to me, but now it looks like we're turning a corner that is all deffo down to me"

 

[Jebus_lives]

Funny how he's now only going to take full control when deaths etc are down and there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. It's almost like he's saying "when things were really bad and there were people dying all over the gaff that wasn't down to me, but now it looks like we're turning a corner that is all deffo down to me"

I'm sure the usual suspects will herald it a masterclass in leadership.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I'm sure the usual suspects will herald it a masterclass in leadership.

The bellend should be the focal point of an enquiry when we get through this along with the other tit Hancock.

 

[davek]

The irony. The link you provide gives the following anecdote

" One Filipino respiratory nurse told Nursing Standard, said: 'I have learned to speak out and lead a team, but some Filipinos who haven’t been here for very long are still very much in the Filipino culture of keeping quiet and being extremely hardworking. "

or in other words, bugger all to do with the NHS being racist towards such people and using them as cannon fodder to protect the lovely white nurses. You can tell when you're losing it as your spelling goes to pot. There almost certainly is pressure for staff to get back to work, just as there is a lot of pressure on staff to meet targets and so on. That's just a fact of life. In my wife's team, she's one of two Caucasian nurses out of a team of around 20, working under a couple of black managers. They've been pushed to come back, to meet targets, and so on. Are the black managers racist towards the black nurses or is that just the way things are in the NHS?

My own anecdotal experience supports the following too

"Speaking to Nursing Standard last week, NHS race equality expert Roger Kline said there was research evidence that BME staff were less likely to speak out when troubled by workplace issues. ‘The staff most at risk are the most reluctant to raise concerns,’ he said. "

That's a shame, no doubt, but it's not the racism you're trying to pin on people. I've no idea what's happened in your life, but this tendency to throw about the most horrendous slurs willy nilly is most unpleasant.

You are in the difficult position here of suggesting that the NHS is - as no other major organisation in the country is - unencumbered by discrimination. It employs a million people in one function or another and it's stratified along the lines of salary and status...and here you are telling me that social class / status wont feature in it!!

Think about that.

As for ethnic groups within the NHS; they get played on. There have been many reports conduced into BAME workers suffering bullying and intimidation from those running the trusts they work in. Many are passive because of their residential situation and its played on. That's a class issue ultimatey: a group of workers facing exploitation by a huge employer. They will be more willing to keep their mouths shut and do the jobs that place them in unsafe environments. That;s been the explanation of Covid19 and high BAME casualties, not genetics. The genetic line was a smokescreen to obscure the prejudice occuring in the NHS against a particular group of its workers.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Coronavirus: Ibuprofen tested as a treatment

Hospital patients sick with the virus will be given the drug to see if it can help with their breathing.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is a poor misleading headline and article.

 

[Tea_drinker]

Funny how he's now only going to take full control when deaths etc are down and there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. It's almost like he's saying "when things were really bad and there were people dying all over the gaff that wasn't down to me, but now it looks like we're turning a corner that is all deffo down to me"

"I was sick when it all started and during the 2 month peak but now I'm back". He makes me feel ill.

 

[jaycee]

Dominic Cummings

 

[orchard]

Coronavirus: Ibuprofen tested as a treatment

Hospital patients sick with the virus will be given the drug to see if it can help with their breathing.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is a poor misleading headline and article.

Because they make a habit of this we no longer use their services/pay them. Synopsis please? Btw thought Ibuprofen had been flagged as being counter productive ?

 

[zzr45]

You are in the difficult position here of suggesting that the NHS is - as no other major organisation in the country is - unencumbered by discrimination. It employs a million people in one function or another and it's stratified along the lines of salary and status...and here you are telling me that social class / status wont feature in it!!

Think about that.

As for ethnic groups within the NHS; they get played on. There have been many reports conduced into BAME workers suffering bullying and intimidation from those running the trusts they work in. Many are passive because of their residential situation and its played on. That's a class issue ultimatey: a group of workers facing exploitation by a huge employer. They will be more willing to keep their mouths shut and do the jobs that place them in unsafe environments. That;s been the explanation of Covid19 and high BAME casualties, not genetics. The genetic line was a smokescreen to obscure the prejudice occuring in the NHS against a particular group of its workers.

No it hasn't. Neither has anyone said that it's all down to genetics, it's likely to be a contributing factor alongside a whole host of other issues.

Again,
Where are BAME employees more likely to work? Cities where they have a high viral load or rural areas where there haven’t been many outbreaks?

Why did more BAME employees put the increased mortality rate of the virus down to health conditions as opposed to the racism which you claim is the major driver?

 

[ramacca]

impact-of-covid19-on-bame-staff-in-mental-healthcare-settings_assessment-and-management-of-risk_13052020v2.pdf

"A significant proportion of the mental healthcare workforce (for Psychiatrists- 39% of RCPsych members, and 33.3% of doctors on the General Medical Council specialist register for psychiatry) is from a BAME background.

vi BAME staff contribute strengths and diversity to healthcare and offer immeasurable value to the NHS, which would collapse without them. All healthcare organisations have a duty of care towards their staff, and the actions that organisations take now in response to this crisis will have significant implications for the future health of the workforce and health and care service delivery. The disproportionately high death rates in BAME staff appear to be only partially explained by age, gender, socio-demographic features and underlying health conditions.

vii Attention needs to be given to the potential contribution of other known inequalities, including racism experienced by health workers of BAME origin; and the full extent of disadvantage needs to be better researched and understood

. viii While further research is awaited however, protecting those who are most at risk (BAME older, male and pregnant, those with pre-existing health conditions as well as the group where several factors intersect) will benefit all staff, patients and services. The government has commissioned Public Health England to conduct an inquiry but action is needed urgently before the findings are reported, as lives continue to be lost".

However, fatalities amongst BAME isn't just about those that work in the health service, but the wider BAME community.

 

[Barnfred 55]

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I said Dominic Cummings not Michael Gove

 

[Jebus_lives]

Because they make a habit of this we no longer use their services/pay them. Synopsis please? Btw thought Ibuprofen had been flagged as being counter productive ?

That's precisely the point. The trial is using a
special formulation of ibuprofen rather than the regular tablets that are different from what you can get over the counter.

So we have a trial in a controlled environment using a formula of a drug that isn't publicly available distilled into 'ibuprofen used to treat Covid patients'.

I expect people reading it will be flocking to shops (increasing their risk) to buy in large quantities (risking those who actually rely on/need it) a drug (subject to supply and demand) which is unlikely to help them (may cause them greater risk).

 

[jaycee]

I said Dominic Cummings not Michael Gove

I'd take Baldrick as advisor before the oafs they currently wheel out

 

[Moomin]

World class they said

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52904433