Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

Johnson still talking a load of old tosh I see.

Starmer sent a private letter about schools going back 2 weeks ago, which he says the PM hasn't responded to. Johnson says he covered it when the 2 spoke recently about opening the lockdown in general.

Which one do you believe.?

Edit. Bit of a stupid question to ask on here really. lol

 

[Harryflashman]

Starmer sent a private letter about schools going back 2 weeks ago, which he says the PM hasn't responded to. Johnson says he covered it when the 2 spoke recently about opening the lockdown in general.

Which one do you believe.?

Edit. Bit of a stupid question to ask on here really. lol

ok fairs fair I’ll do it reasonably , has either one of them ever been sacked for lying , twice Maybe ? If so I’ll go with the other one

 

[COYBL25]

You are in the difficult position here of suggesting that the NHS is - as no other major organisation in the country is - unencumbered by discrimination. It employs a million people in one function or another and it's stratified along the lines of salary and status...and here you are telling me that social class / status wont feature in it!!

Think about that.

As for ethnic groups within the NHS; they get played on. There have been many reports conduced into BAME workers suffering bullying and intimidation from those running the trusts they work in. Many are passive because of their residential situation and its played on. That's a class issue ultimatey: a group of workers facing exploitation by a huge employer. They will be more willing to keep their mouths shut and do the jobs that place them in unsafe environments. That;s been the explanation of Covid19 and high BAME casualties, not genetics. The genetic line was a smokescreen to obscure the prejudice occuring in the NHS against a particular group of its workers.

You very obviously base a lot of your tin foil hat stuff on things that you read, , which undoubtedly comes from publications that fit in with your ideology, rather than any first hand experience.,

My missus has been a nurse for well over twenty years now, having worked both in hospitals and in the community all over Leeds and Liverpool in various roles, both in white and non white areas.

Out of curiosity I`ve just showed her your latest diatribe on class driven / racist nonsense and you know what her first reaction was - " she laughed her head off "

She states ( her words not mine )

" Whoever has written that rubbish, has very obviously never worked in a hospital, as during my service in the health care profession, I have never once witnessed discrimination towards non white staff. In some hospitals there are more non white staff than white staff, both in senior and junior positions and everyone just gets on with it.

Also in nursing it`s always seemed to be the case that a high percentage of the managers and higher grade nurses tend be gay men, both white and non white.

In some areas of medicine, nearly all the staff are Asian, that`s just the way it`s always been, that way, especially in certain areas of surgery.

The only discrimination I have ever witnessed is in the form of bullying of staff by managers with agendas and vendettas, which can happen in every work place and has nothing to do with race "

These are her words, not mine and if you want I can put her on, as she`s currently working home due to helping protect our disabled son from the virus.

In her current hospital ( Whiston ) amongst the staff who`ve tragically died from the virus are two well respected and popular Asian consultants. I don`t pretend to know their financial background, but by the very virtue of the fact that they were consultants, I`d assume they weren`t poor. I don`t think their social status has played any part in their deaths, do you ?

Your attempt to link the deaths of non white hospital staff from the virus, to some sort of race driven class warfare is quite frankly disgusting and @Bruce Wayne is right, when he says some of the stuff that you`ve been posting is vile.

 

[orchard]

Starmer sent a private letter about schools going back 2 weeks ago, which he says the PM hasn't responded to. Johnson says he covered it when the 2 spoke recently about opening the lockdown in general.

Which one do you believe.?

Edit. Bit of a stupid question

Fixed.

 

[davek]

No it hasn't. Neither has anyone said that it's all down to genetics, it's likely to be a contributing factor alongside a whole host of other issues.

Again,
Where are BAME employees more likely to work? Cities where they have a high viral load or rural areas where there haven’t been many outbreaks?

Why did more BAME employees put the increased mortality rate of the virus down to health conditions as opposed to the racism which you claim is the major driver?

I think you're a bit confused here about what it is we differ on.

 

[davek]

You very obviously base a lot of your tin foil hat stuff on things that you read, , which undoubtedly comes from publications that fit in with your ideology, rather than any first hand experience.,

My missus has been a nurse for well over twenty years now, having worked both in hospitals and in the community all over Leeds and Liverpool in various roles, both in white and non white areas.

Out of curiosity I`ve just showed her your latest diatribe on class driven / racist nonsense and you know what her first reaction was - " she laughed her head off "

She states ( her words not mine )

" Whoever has written that rubbish, has very obviously never worked in a hospital, as during my service in the health care profession, I have never once witnessed discrimination towards non white staff. In some hospitals there are more non white staff than white staff, both in senior and junior positions and everyone just gets on with it.

Also in nursing it`s always seemed to be the case that a high percentage of the managers and higher grade nurses tend be gay men, both white and non white.

In some areas of medicine, nearly all the staff are Asian, that`s just the way it`s always been, that way, especially in certain areas of surgery.

The only discrimination I have ever witnessed is in the form of bullying of staff by managers with agendas and vendettas, which can happen in every work place and has nothing to do with race "

These are her words, not mine and if you want I can put her on, as she`s currently working home due to helping protect our disabled son from the virus.

In her current hospital ( Whiston ) amongst the staff who`ve tragically died from the virus are two well respected and popular Asian consultants. I don`t pretend to know their financial background, but by the very virtue of the fact that they were consultants, I`d assume they weren`t poor. I don`t think their social status has played any part in their deaths, do you ?

Your attempt to link the deaths of non white hospital staff from the virus, to some sort of race driven class warfare is quite frankly disgusting and @Bruce Wayne is right, when he says some of the stuff that you`ve been posting is vile.

Ha Ha Ha. Funniest post ever.

 

[davek]

I wouldn't ever suggest, and don't believe I have suggested, that there is no discrimination in the NHS. Of course there is. It's a huge institution. What I believe is frankly absurd, is that bame staff are being deliberately sacrificed for some bizarre reason. That's ridiculous and quite frankly, a disgraceful accusation to make of the NHS.

They're not being sacrificed. Who claimed that? I said that in normal times ethnic workers are even more discriminated against than white ('native') workers, and that we should expect no different under Covid19.

That is entirely reasonable.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I think he should deliver his addresses to the people while riding a White stallion. Show everyone who is the boss......

This is more apt Pete...

 

[Barnfred 55]

ok fairs fair I’ll do it reasonably , has either one of them ever been sacked for lying , twice Maybe ? If so I’ll go with the other one

It was a joke mate, but thanks for coming up with the response I was fully expecting.

I very much suspect that both, in their own way, are right. Starmer expected a formal written response that he didn't get. Johnson discussed it with him when they spoke, and believed he had dealt with the matter. One of them is a stickler for detail, the other one clearly isn't. When you get that mixture it doesn't take much to create a misunderstanding.

I'm much more interested in what the letter contained, and Starmer said he was going to go public with it today. I've been critical of opposition MPs not offering constructive recommendations on how to tackle this crisis. I heard something today that I must have missed, about making use of local councils in setting up local hubs for the contact tracing strategy, which I think is an excellent idea. If this private letter includes similar constructive suggestions I connection with schools returning, then that would be brilliant. It would be great if somebody could link the letter when he releases it.

 

[Harryflashman]

It was a joke mate, but thanks for coming up with the response I was fully expecting.

I very much suspect that both, in their own way, are right. Starmer expected a formal written response that he didn't get. Johnson discussed it with him when they spoke, and believed he had dealt with the matter. One of them is a stickler for detail, the other one clearly isn't. When you get that mixture it doesn't take much to create a misunderstanding.

I'm much more interested in what the letter contained, and Starmer said he was going to go public with it today. I've been critical of opposition MPs not offering constructive recommendations on how to tackle this crisis. I heard something today that I must have missed, about making use of local councils in setting up local hubs for the contact tracing strategy, which I think is an excellent idea. If this private letter includes similar constructive suggestions I connection with schools returning, then that would be brilliant. It would be great if somebody could link the letter when he releases it.

You’ll notice , I hope , i’d liked your initial Post before my reply . I’m hardly Sherlock Holmes but the laughing emoji you used is what those in law enforcement might I suspect call a ‘clue ‘ . So I’m confident I’d grasped it was humour based , mine was posted with humour as well . I should have perhaps used an emoji /emoticon to hammer home the point .

The bulk of the rest of your post I broadly agree with though , to be clear that is a serious reply .

 

[orchard]

 

[COYBL25]

Ha Ha Ha. Funniest post

Ha Ha Ha. Funniest post ever.

This advent of this virus hasn`t really done you any favours at all.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You’ll notice , I hope , i’d liked your initial Post before my reply . I’m hardly Sherlock Holmes but the laughing emoji you used is what those in law enforcement might I suspect call a ‘clue ‘ . So I’m confident I’d grasped it was humour based , mine was posted with humour as well . I should have perhaps used an emoji /emoticon to hammer home the point .

The bulk of the rest of your post I broadly agree with though , to be clear that is a serious reply .

Sorry . That came across a bit glib reading it back.

Maybe if you'd have liked it with a haha. Not that I'm asking you to laugh at my jokes. Which, to be clear, is another attempt at a joke lol. But you don't need to laugh if you don't want to.

It's so easy to take offense on social media when none was intended. Likewise it's so easy to give offense when none is intended.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yes....but it's not really as effective as writing MURDERER in big red pen then spitting on the paper is it?

 

[duncs pigeon]

You can blame anyone you like for the spread of this virus, goverments and politicians alike. Imo the biggest culprits are us, the general public. For the 2nd week running had an arguement with a shopper at my local Asda. Last week a woman with her 14/15 yr old daughter, went through the no entry signs and not following the arrows. Her answer when I questioned her ' I cant read' which her daughter thought was hilarious and started taking the p**s cos I followed the arrows etc. Today same thing happened with a bloke in his 60s, I guess, did exactly the same. Again I told him and his answer' oh I dont follow them' ffs. My answer was' you fooking should or you might catch it' didnt bother him at all. Rant over, sorry.