Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
Where's the evidence it does?

Traditionally it's a basket of factors in social deprivation that underlay a persons (and persons) health and well being. Why should we have deviated from that established way of viewing disproportionate poor health from anything that's cropped up during the period of this virus?

You have the floor....
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I’ve posted the link to the findings on the increased ACE receptors in black females before. Another study has demonstrated that there’s a link between a gene identified as being involved in the progress of Alzheimer’s and risk for COVID - https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/...ovid-19-and-a-faulty-gene-linked-to-dementia/

And guess which ethnicity has been shown to have this gene more frequently?

Cognitive resilience in APOE*ε4 carriers—is race important? - PMC

The apolipoprotein E ε4 (APOE*ε4) allele is a well-established risk factor for cognitive decline, particularly among white individuals. A recent study highlights factors associated with cognitive resilience in both black and white APOE*ε4 carriers. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So there’s two bits of evidence, which is a damn lot more than you ever provide. I see you also ducked the first two questions.
 
Interesting article that was quoted in the report. I think @Jebus Lives put it on yesterday.


Investigating associations between ethnicity and outcome from COVID-19
Ewen Harrison, Annemarie Docherty, Calum Semple, CO-CIN
25/04/2020
[OFFICIAL-SENSITIVE PROTECT]

Aim To identify any difference in HDU/ICU admission and overall survival by self-defined ethnicity in hospitalised patients with COVID-19.

Summary

More admissions to hospital are seen in the Black and Minority Ethnic group in this cohort, compared with that expected from the population proportion at a country level. Analysis at a Trust/Healthboard level is well developed and will characterise any selection bias that exists in this cohort.

More admissions to HDU/ITU are seen in the Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) group, compared to the White ethnic group. These are explained by differences in patient characteristics such as comorbidity. No difference in HDU/ICU admission is seen after adjusting for patient characteristics.

The White ethnic group has higher mortality than the BAME group. In robust matched models (propensity-score matched), no excess mortality is seen in the BAME group.

In conclusion, Black and Minority Ethnic individuals might be more likely to be admitted to hospital with COVID-19. BAME groups are more likely to be admitted to HDU/ICU. When patient characteristics are taken into account, no excess HDU/ICU admissions or deaths are seen in the BAME group".

Raises many questions -BAME are more likely to have Covid -18. Poor and overcrowded housing? jobs the require close contact, jobs in the front line of mixing/meeting the public? Living in areas with less access to health care? Living in areas with inadequate hospital provisions? Less likely to be admitted to hospital?
 

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ramacca said:
Interesting article that was quoted in the report. I think @Jebus Lives put it on yesterday.


Investigating associations between ethnicity and outcome from COVID-19
Ewen Harrison, Annemarie Docherty, Calum Semple, CO-CIN
25/04/2020
[OFFICIAL-SENSITIVE PROTECT]

Aim To identify any difference in HDU/ICU admission and overall survival by self-defined ethnicity in hospitalised patients with COVID-19.

Summary

More admissions to hospital are seen in the Black and Minority Ethnic group in this cohort, compared with that expected from the population proportion at a country level. Analysis at a Trust/Healthboard level is well developed and will characterise any selection bias that exists in this cohort.

More admissions to HDU/ITU are seen in the Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) group, compared to the White ethnic group. These are explained by differences in patient characteristics such as comorbidity. No difference in HDU/ICU admission is seen after adjusting for patient characteristics.

The White ethnic group has higher mortality than the BAME group. In robust matched models (propensity-score matched), no excess mortality is seen in the BAME group.

In conclusion, Black and Minority Ethnic individuals might be more likely to be admitted to hospital with COVID-19. BAME groups are more likely to be admitted to HDU/ICU. When patient characteristics are taken into account, no excess HDU/ICU admissions or deaths are seen in the BAME group".

Raises many questions -BAME are more likely to have Covid -18. Poor and overcrowded housing? jobs the require close contact, jobs in the front line of mixing/meeting the public? Living in areas with less access to health care? Living in areas with inadequate hospital provisions? Less likely to be admitted to hospital?
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That was the basis for a significant amount of the PHE conclusion and the paper circulated by SAGE I mentioned last week.
 
zzr45 said:
I’ve posted the link to the findings on the increased ACE receptors in black females before. Another study has demonstrated that there’s a link between a gene identified as being involved in the progress of Alzheimer’s and risk for COVID - https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/...ovid-19-and-a-faulty-gene-linked-to-dementia/

And guess which ethnicity has been shown to have this gene more frequently?

Cognitive resilience in APOE*ε4 carriers—is race important? - PMC

The apolipoprotein E ε4 (APOE*ε4) allele is a well-established risk factor for cognitive decline, particularly among white individuals. A recent study highlights factors associated with cognitive resilience in both black and white APOE*ε4 carriers. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So there’s two bits of evidence, which is a damn lot more than you ever provide. I see you also ducked the first two questions.
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Ha Ha Ha.

The Science Media Centre are a bunch of corporate whores with zero credibility:


www.scidev.net

UK’s Science Media Centre lambasted for pushing corporate science

Academics call for more critical journalism and public interest in science media centres, reports Mićo Tatalović.
www.scidev.net www.scidev.net


You'll be telling me next that black people have heavier bones and cant swim.
 
davek said:
This is why I recoiled from viewing the BAME figures as 'genetic' difference; it was always a cover for the real story of discrimination.
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Genetics when discussing race and ethnicity is always problematic.

Conflating genetics and ethnicity and race as seems to be happening across this discussion is not helpful. The report indicates that pre existing inequalities 'socioeconomic' factors are the main reason behind the figures, coupled with existing knowledge about higher cardiovascular risk to some elements of the BAME community - again I'm not sure there is a genetic basis for that but there is a basis for it by ethnicity.

It's not a particularly good report in my eyes - it's omission is as striking as what it is saying - which was largely already known.

On the topic, this study might be of use:

How Science and Genetics are Reshaping the Race Debate of the 21st Century

by Vivian Chou figures by Daniel Utter Donald Trump’s election as the 45th President of the United States has been marked by the brewing storms of racial conflicts. A rise in racial incidents ensued in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s victory in…
sitn.hms.harvard.edu
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Genetics when discussing race and ethnicity is always problematic.

Conflating genetics and ethnicity and race as seems to be happening across this discussion is not helpful. The report indicates that pre existing inequalities 'socioeconomic' factors are the main reason behind the figures, coupled with existing knowledge about higher cardiovascular risk to some elements of the BAME community - again I'm not sure there is a genetic basis for that but there is a basis for it by ethnicity.

It's not a particularly good report in my eyes - it's omission is as striking as what it is saying - which was largely already known.

On the topic, this study might be of use:

How Science and Genetics are Reshaping the Race Debate of the 21st Century

by Vivian Chou figures by Daniel Utter Donald Trump’s election as the 45th President of the United States has been marked by the brewing storms of racial conflicts. A rise in racial incidents ensued in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s victory in…
sitn.hms.harvard.edu
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You seen anything about the Multi System Inflammatory Syndrome in your reading? Saw a link that many of the London cases were of Afro Caribbean descent but hadn’t seen any further info on an explanation why.

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www.thelancet.com
 
davek said:
How dare you.
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No, how dare 'you' cast unfounded aspersions on the entire NHS.

www.nursingtimes.net

Exclusive: BME nurses 'feel targeted' to work on Covid-19 wards

The Covid-19 outbreak is putting a stark lens on the inequalities faced by nurses from black and minority ethnic (BME) backgrounds, according to a
www.nursingtimes.net www.nursingtimes.net

In the same article that clearly states that no actual evidence exists of any discrimination, they also clearly explain that vulnerability has no genetic basis, but rather that the kind of unhealthy lifestyles that lead to more comorbidities are more likely.

She explained that people from BME backgrounds were at a “greater risk” from coronavirus because these communities were more likely to have “a number of comorbidities” such as diabetes, cardiovascular disease, sickle cell, thalassaemia and lupus.
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But no, you have to wang in with class bullshit, as that's the only trick you have, like an Indian doctor is poor, or an old Jamaican nurse, who is likely to be band 5 or 6 due to their age, is on the breadline. You have no bloody clue, as usual, yet carry on like you're the expert on everything. The reason you don't move abroad is because you fundamentally lack the self awareness to do so.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Genetics when discussing race and ethnicity is always problematic.

Conflating genetics and ethnicity and race as seems to be happening across this discussion is not helpful. The report indicates that pre existing inequalities 'socioeconomic' factors are the main reason behind the figures, coupled with existing knowledge about higher cardiovascular risk to some elements of the BAME community - again I'm not sure there is a genetic basis for that but there is a basis for it by ethnicity.

It's not a particularly good report in my eyes - it's omission is as striking as what it is saying - which was largely already known.

On the topic, this study might be of use:

How Science and Genetics are Reshaping the Race Debate of the 21st Century

by Vivian Chou figures by Daniel Utter Donald Trump’s election as the 45th President of the United States has been marked by the brewing storms of racial conflicts. A rise in racial incidents ensued in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s victory in…
sitn.hms.harvard.edu
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Even the lumping of all non-white ethnicity into one group seems absurd, like an Indian doctor has the same genetic vulnerabilities as a Filipino nurse, or a Nigerian HCA.
 
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