Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

I think he was.

Although it was in the context of due to the high number of infections.

Well there you go.

 

[mill]

Wether you agree with his opinion or not he's going against the WHO, multiple countries as well as loads of epidemiologists. That's not my opinion, look it up.

Doctors have different opinions, just like epidemiologists, but if you look at all the countries that are doing well, they're tracking the infections.

Doctor or not, his opinion is against the concensus and the evidence seen from countries on top of infection numbers.

I apologise for the insults but your post was pretty condescending and patronising from the off.

He’s not saying track and trace doesn’t work. He’s saying in the UK, in the current circumstances, it would be ineffective.

I don’t understand why you don’t get the nuance.

I think we should have been talking about track and trace in February. But we didn’t. And now, give what the R0 is in certain regions (like Liverpool), it’s not going to be effective.

I think you are misinterpreting the point I’m making.

So please don’t call me idiot.

 

[whiteshadow]

He’s not saying track and trace doesn’t work. He’s saying in the UK, in the current circumstances, it would be ineffective.

I don’t understand why you don’t get the nuance.

I think we should have been talking about track and trace in February. But we didn’t. And now, give what the R0 is in certain regions (like Liverpool), it’s not going to be effective.

I think you are misinterpreting the point I’m making.

So please don’t call me idiot.

I do get the nuance but he's giving the impression tracking it will make no difference, which is wreckless, when it might encourage some people not to bother with the app when he knows, even if it's not as effective as it should be, due to higher numbers of infections, it will still make a difference.

I apologise for calling you that, you're post was pretty patronizing though.

 

[LinekersLegs]

To me, it's just about trying to save lives.

I don't care about the Tories, or Labour, or who gets in at the next election.

If using an app and adhering to the rules helps save some people, it's worth doing, for that reason alone.

I agree but also realise that I am in a very fortunate position and the downsides to my every move being public knowledge were very low even before lockdown.

S Korea have been fantastic at both their testing and also their tracking app which has flagged to people when they might have crossed the path of an infected person.

But they recently had a issue with a cluster centered on LGBTQ nightclubs that has sad echos of the public health issues surrounding the tracking of AIDS in San Francisco in the 1980s.

South Korea struggles to contain new outbreak amid anti-gay backlash

Fears people will fail to get tested out of fear after new cases linked to Seoul gay district

www.theguardian.com

 

[mill]

I do get the nuance but he's giving the impression tracking it will make no difference, which is wreckless, when it might encourage some people not to bother with the app when he knows, even if it's not as effective as it should be, due to higher numbers of infections, it will still make a difference.

I apologise for calling you that, you're post was pretty patronizing though.

It wasn’t patronising. I made a point that it’s probably best to listen to people who actually have training in the field.
Otherwise it’s like a football fan giving a football manager advice.
I’m not saying a doctor is an epidemiologist but at the same time there will still be an asymmetry in the information that a doctor will have available versus a lay person. Both in terms of experience, knowledge and resources.
so on the balance of things I’d rather go with the doctor as they’ll have an infinitely better understanding than I do on the subject.
In the same way I’d expect a doctor to give me the benefit of the doubt in my field.
That was my point. It wasn’t patronising.

 

[DrEFC]

Based in the North West?

Don't want to say on a public forum, but close enough that I can still be a season ticket holder

 

[DrEFC]

I think he was.

Although it was in the context of due to the high number of infections.

I was hyperbolic in my statement, but it is extremely frustrating seeing the government put in place measures too late to save thousands and thousands of lives. We are past the peak, its spreading at at slower rate with social isolation. If lockdown is eased, and we just rely on this app (in the hands of a jobs for girls person), we aren't going to get a handle on this. Especially now that we aren't truthful about numbers tested.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Don't want to say on a public forum, but close enough that I can still be a season ticket holder

Entirely understandable.

 

[Walken]

So, despite being a doctor, you think track and trace is a waste of time, despite it being used by every country that has managed to get on top of the case numbers.

Pretty wreckless comment when all the evidence shows track and trace after reducing the initial number of cases is the way to control the number of infections.

Your answer is to, just give up and do nothing, as it's already there ....

quite clearly not what he is insinuating

 

[Walken]

How many youtube docs y'all followin?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What South Korea Teaches the World About Fighting COVID

South Korea initially had the largest number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 outside of China, but new cases have decreased sharply since then. What is the country doing right? asks Doug J. Chung.

hbswk.hbs.edu

 

[Barnfred 55]

What's Dido got to do with anything. Sang some bangers though.

That could easily be a crossword puzzle teaser for test trace and isolate. (anag)

 

[Barnfred 55]

Having spent today reading the track and trace structures and strategies, he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about here. Making this up as he goes along.

Seriously the guy does not do detail. Never has done. He's always been about bluster and effect. He needed a scientist or medical guy like Jenny Harries on there with him yesterday.

Unlike the press conferences there were some belting questions asked there yesterday, questions I would have loved a detailed technical answer to but it never came. The frustrating thing for me is that I'm sure he knew the answer (or rather had been briefed on it) and even wanted to tell us all. He just wasn't capable or elequent enough.

 

[Barnfred 55]

That reminds me of the Eddie Murphy film Coming to America when the King says "who am I to change the law"

Seriously though it's actually sound advice for him. The media and political opponents will make a target into a deadline, and if that deadline isn't met they'll just botch the figures, which makes the whole thing irrelevant anyway

 

[Barnfred 55]

Tell you what, along with enjoying shopping more after queuing to get in the supermarket, this new way of presenting politicians is way better imo.

Would be happy to keep both once we go back to "normal".

We don't normally shop in the morning. We queued for 30 minutes yesterday to get in and for the first time in weeks queued for a till. Weather was nice so I didn't mind too much. Not sure I'd be putting up with that in the middle of winter though