Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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LinekersLegs said:
They have sunk to “if you are worried about your eyesight it is perfectly reasonable to drive 30 miles with your family to test it out” to cover for him - if you can still look at yourself in the mirror each morning after trotting that line out then I’d question where exactly you’d draw the line of behavior you wouldn’t try to excuse.
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roydo said:
Its unreal isnt it?

Like, this isnt some scandal or a shagging story; its a national emergency, and not one family in the UK has swerved its effects.

Yet every day, that tool Cummings will dominate the journos questions, when there are actually more important stuff at risk than his career.

edit. His reputation is shredded anyrate.
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I really don't understand what they are doing. As you have probably guessed I am certainly not pro Conservative, but I have a begrudging respect for them as an organisation (in much the same way I do for Liverpool FC strangely). At times they are cut throat, nasty, self obsessed but I admire the message discipline and the commitment to winning.

I have no idea what this lot think they are doing. I've seen a poll now, that more people (up to 71%) think he broke the rules than when the story first broke. So essentially they have extended enormous political capital, all made themselves look complicit, no doubt hardened their opponents and pushed wavering voters away but also presumably lost some of their own supporters in the process. If I worked for an organisation, who went all in to defend someone, and the dial showed it was still going against me, and in fact further against me there would be massive alarm bells ringing now.

I don't know if Johnson just sees him as totemic, so if Cummings goes Johnson is so wounded (and bereft of ideas)he is a sitting duck? Or actually, whether they are just really petulant and angry because they have been found out making a small mistake that they want to try and crush their opponents? All they've done though, is take what was quite a small issue, insult the nations parents, make it into the news story in the cycle, and lose support in the process.

People seem to think they are teflon. The last 4 years particularly, but also the last 10 with Miliband have seen Labour have leaders who people at the top of society couldn't trust. Even if they are ambivalent on Starmer (so not full support like Blair) the political situation is going to look vastly different. They need to really get a grip of the situation.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I'm not sure there will be many children back at school on Monday given that Johnson and Hancock are basically saying that you can do what you like if child welfare is your motivation.
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Which if you are a teacher is about the worst message you can here. I mean successive governments since the 90's have spent decades building the idea that going to school is important, and you have to have legitimate reasons to keep them away. You do wonder how much of that work has been trashed by this episode.

The worst scenario in the short term, is half the kids turn up. You end up teaching lessons you know you will have to repeat, which for kids that age means the half that have done it before are bored. What an absolute joke this is turning into.
 
catcherintherye said:
I really don't understand what they are doing. As you have probably guessed I am certainly not pro Conservative, but I have a begrudging respect for them as an organisation (in much the same way I do for Liverpool FC strangely). At times they are cut throat, nasty, self obsessed but I admire the message discipline and the commitment to winning.

I have no idea what this lot think they are doing. I've seen a poll now, that more people (up to 71%) think he broke the rules than when the story first broke. So essentially they have extended enormous political capital, all made themselves look complicit, no doubt hardened their opponents and pushed wavering voters away but also presumably lost some of their own supporters in the process. If I worked for an organisation, who went all in to defend someone, and the dial showed it was still going against me, and in fact further against me there would be massive alarm bells ringing now.

I don't know if Johnson just sees him as totemic, so if Cummings goes Johnson is so wounded (and bereft of ideas)he is a sitting duck? Or actually, whether they are just really petulant and angry because they have been found out making a small mistake that they want to try and crush their opponents? All they've done though, is take what was quite a small issue, insult the nations parents, make it into the news story in the cycle, and lose support in the process.

People seem to think they are teflon. The last 4 years particularly, but also the last 10 with Miliband have seen Labour have leaders who people at the top of society couldn't trust. Even if they are ambivalent on Starmer (so not full support like Blair) the political situation is going to look vastly different. They need to really get a grip of the situation.
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Like you, I am baffled.

For what feels like months, this has not been a political issue. The early fiscal help was terrific, the ramping up of the HMRC and DWP has been noticeable and decent. Everyone pretty much has followed the rules, the shops have been brilliant, and ok, the weather has helped, but in general, UK Public have supported the Government and scientists with their compliance.

And now? The whole thing is threatened by a scruffy, goblin looking no mark.
 
roydo said:
Cummings? Humility?

I assumed, wrongly, that his political nouse, and that of his boss, would have kicked in, big time, by now. Folk are furious.
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And rightly so.

It isn’t just that it happened - think it there had been a bit of an apology many would have shrugged and moved on.

But instead of that they double down and say it was all perfectly fine and reasonable behavior - even going to quite ludicrous lengths with the Barnard Castle jaunt.

And everyone will have either their own story or that of a close friend/relative that makes it feel the “one rule for us, another for them” a very personal insult.
 
coollino said:
I think I'm going to sack them off for a while until it gets a bit more normal. CBA with a half ok experience and putting myself at risk.

Shame but still got years of going to them ahead.
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It’s a tricky one isn’t it. My guess is that some pubs will disappear because of this virus, if the rules and regs make going to the pub a waste of time then many more will......
 
LinekersLegs said:
And rightly so.

It isn’t just that it happened - think it there had been a bit of an apology many would have shrugged and moved on.

But instead of that they double down and say it was all perfectly fine and reasonable behavior - even going to wuite ludicrous lengths with the Barnard Castle jaunt.

And everyone will have either their own story or that of a close friend/relative that makes it feel the “one rule for us, another for them” a very personal insult.
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Thats exactly it LL. My limited exposure to other folk, the super market queue, my parents, and Nikki, has told me that folk despise what has happened, and the bollocks since. But, so far, the feeling I get is that we, the public, aint stopping doing what we know will protect us.

Sure, more are out and about, but social distancing has become ingrained, so little problem with that. Its the wider issue of being preached to, by folk who are clearly in contempt of us.

Well, you know what? We care about our friends and family and communities. We care a jot about Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove.

And soon, they will realise that. A furious UK makes a formidable beast to tame.
 
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