Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

I'd hope your post was slightly tongue in cheek,but the reality may be somewhat different, children on chemotherapy courses,younger people with asthma,and even those who believe they are golden may find they have an underlying health problem that is undiagnosed. Over the years there have been super fit footballers who have had heart problems which they were totally unaware of.

It wasn't even tongue in cheek mate. It was outright sarcasm.

There's a lot of hate in here, and I mean the forum not just this thread, directed at older people, Tories and people who voted Brexit. The post I responded to gave me an opportunity to have a go at them.

Most people who know my posting trends took it for what it was. It wasn't meant to offend anybody other than those it was aimed at.

 

[nsno-chris]

Yep any new virus is always going to be worse and easier to pick up than pre-existing ones until the population build up immunity to it.

flu for example still kills hundreds of thousands of people per year yet people are not running around emptying the food stores each winter.

The sad reality is that due to no vaccine it puts the elderly and those with ill health in danger in the coming weeks/months.

that’s the thing, it’s not new. I believe it was first identified in the 1960.This virus is SARS-CoV-2, the genetics between this and the 2003 outbreak are almost identical

 

[Catfish Blues]

flu for example still kills hundreds of thousands of people per yet people are not running around emptying the food stores each winter.

Flu's a bad example to compare Coronavirus to mate.

On average, each person with flu would infect 1.3 other people. It's less than that because of immunity and vaccination but bear with me. The same number for Coronavirus is above 3.

If Coronavirus was a completely new type of flu, it wouldn't spread so quickly, so wouldn't be as dangerous. Coupled with something like a 10% rate of being serious, it's the rate of spread which makes Coronavirus dangerous, because, left uncontrolled it could quickly swamp any health service. At that point, it's not just the deaths from the virus which are the problem, there'll also be extra deaths caused by health services not being able to treat people they normally could.

 

[Death]

Playing down a global pandemic is right wing as hell.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Flu's a bad example to compare Coronavirus to mate.

On average, each person with flu would infect 1.3 other people. It's less than that because of immunity and vaccination but bear with me. The same number for Coronavirus is above 3.

If Coronavirus was a completely new type of flu, it wouldn't spread so quickly, so wouldn't be as dangerous. Coupled with something like a 10% rate of being serious, it's the rate of spread which makes Coronavirus dangerous, because, left uncontrolled it could quickly swamp any health service. At that point, it's not just the deaths from the virus which are the problem, there'll also be extra deaths caused by health services not being able to treat people they normally could.

Aye its definitely more contagious - but the facts are at present time we have little to no control over our fate with this thing on a world scale - so the choices are either be sensible and enjoy life as best you can or lock yourself away from society for an unknown amount of time and simply put let hysteria & fear break you down mentally.

A big part of all this thats been overlooked is not just physical health but the need to ensure everyone is coping mentally. This thing biologically pulls people apart and we need to be able to cope with that whilst also being sensible and ensuring we still take time out/keep contact with loved ones and friends and still have some routine/past time.

 

[PhilM]

its managed properly by the WHO with constant notification and resilience plans implemented. But with Ebola outbreak of 2016 it was desperately close to becoming a global issue.

After sitting on numerous strategic meetings this week, with PHE and local resilience forums it’s evident that the main issue is people’s intolerance to follow basic instructions

I'm not sure which thread it was in - there's a few - but I've alluded to this a few times: the real concern is fatigue with regards to the implementation of measures.

Sadly, we can't rely on people self-isolating or staying away from schools or eduction etc. for long periods of time, so implementing measures must be held back.

It may not be such an issue in other countries for a multitude of social or political reasons.

 

[Nymzee]

One thing that seems to be taken for granted is that people will actually self isolate and do the right thing.

I hadn`t considered this until I spoke with my mate who is a cabbie and he said there was NO WAY he`d be self isolating if he displayed any symptoms, as he couldn`t afford to be off the road for any length of time.

He said most of the lads who work for his firm were of the same opinion.

There must be many many more people who are in the same boat and will just ignore all advice and carry on due to financial necessity.

What a mess.

Yup, lots in my office too. I understand the financial strain and pressure but to me it's reckless and endangering the lives of others. Criminal if you ask me.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Reported.

If you thought I was being serious there mate and you found it offensive, then I applaud you and you were right to report the post.

However people in here who know my posting history will have taken that for what it was, a sarcastic jibe at some of the haters on here. People who openly wish harm to older people (which I am), Tory voters (which invariably I am not) and Brexit voters (which I am).

 

[Nymzee]

If you thought I was being serious there mate and you found it offensive, then I applaud you and you were right to report the post.

However people in here who know my posting history will have taken that for what it was, a sarcastic jibe at some of the haters on here. People who openly wish harm to older people (which I am), Tory voters (which invariably I am not) and Brexit voters (which I am).

And your age

 

[tsubaki]

It wasn't even tongue in cheek mate. It was outright sarcasm.

There's a lot of hate in here, and I mean the forum not just this thread, directed at older people, Tories and people who voted Brexit. The post I responded to gave me an opportunity to have a go at them.

Most people who know my posting trends took it for what it was. It wasn't meant to offend anybody other than those it was aimed at.

Doubt anyone hates older people here, but really when this sort of disaster happens people should be free to point out that this looming disaster is the outcome of what other people voted for.

Look at gig work for example - some people warned for years that it would leave people in an unstable, financially precarious state. They were ignored. People (including a lot of experts and medical staff) said that reducing the capacity of the NHS whilst making it more expensive to run (thanks to PFI and the rest) was a daft idea. They were ignored, and threatened in some cases.

We've had an orthodoxy of economic and social policy over the past thirty years that has brought us to this point; people have to understand that it is wrong or things are going to get even worse. I don't hope Tories die as the result of this, but they are going to and so are a lot of others, with even more following them unless we as a country change course.

 

[Nymzee]

I really don't see why politics needs to be brought into this. Whatever Boris choses to do, whatever Corbyn would have chosen to do, doesn't matter. You don't need the government to tell you to stop going to events or how to know when you should maybe just stay in the house.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The problem there is that not all old people are Tories.

I find it hard to put in words just how repulsive that post is Dave, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

But in a weird way I commend you for having the honesty to stand by what you say. Very few others with your views will do that.

 

[Nymzee]

I find it hard to put in words just how repulsive that post is Dave, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

But in a weird way I commend you for having the honesty to stand by what you say. Very few others with your views will do that.

Have I misread? What's wrong with Dave saying not all old people are Tories?

 

[Nymzee]

Another good article that cuts through the rubbish.

How many will die of coronavirus in the UK? A closer look at the numbers

What the statistics from the outbreak so far can tell us about infection and mortality rates

www.theguardian.com

Problem with this is whilst they say this:

But it is also worth noting the WHO estimate is based on confirmed infections and deaths, meaning it does not take into account mild cases that may not be diagnosed – cases that would lower the mortality rate. Indeed experts say that, in reality, the mortality rate is likely to be nearer to 1% or less. In other words, more than 99% of those who become infected are expected to survive.

They also don't have a clue how many deaths from flu etc. recently could have incorrectly not been attributed to COVID-19.

The WHO estimated mortality rate based on known numbers is fine but when they start making predictions on assumed numbers it all falls down.

 

[PhilM]

Yup, lots in my office too. I understand the financial strain and pressure but to me it's reckless and endangering the lives of others. Criminal if you ask me.

It'll be interesting to see if the ol' British moral fibre still underpins our society when people are asked to isolate themselves or will they have to be told to do so.

How any curfew would be enforced is something I've considered because I don't think there's the right balance of manpower or respect to really impose one.