Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

Obviously I could.
But they would deffo know it's me.
I've had all sorts with them before, and when I kicked off it was them who called the police on me !
Bizzies showed up and saw it was me and it was amusing as I know them all through work.
The Mrs has put the radio on to take the edge off for me and it's the best selling albums of 1985.
Didn't know Foreigner was so popular.

My eldest has travelled from Liverpool down here as well today and I'm absolutely delighted to have him back so the wife would kill me if I kicked tonight.

You need to keep calm and be rational. Just explain to your neighbours in the nicest possible language that if they behave then all is good, but if they don’t, then their house will burn down......in the nicest possible way of course......

 

[Nymzee]

Obviously I could.
But they would deffo know it's me.
I've had all sorts with them before, and when I kicked off it was them who called the police on me !
Bizzies showed up and saw it was me and it was amusing as I know them all through work.
The Mrs has put the radio on to take the edge off for me and it's the best selling albums of 1985.
Didn't know Foreigner was so popular.

My eldest has travelled from Liverpool down here as well today and I'm absolutely delighted to have him back so the wife would kill me if I kicked tonight.

I’d have just lobbed a water bomb on their BBQ tbh

 

[mahermi1]

An absolute scandal the way the elderly have been treated, with all types of shenanigans going on, and still happening..

What the treatment of the elderly and the resultant deaths in care homes, nursing homes and care in the community, has shown is that the NHS for all, under the auspices of the Department of Health and Social Care, was overwhelmed. No wonder there are relatives launching legal action.

Have to break that very gently to Hancock as he seems to take offense to everything said to him.

 

[peteblue]

I’d have just lobbed a water bomb on their BBQ tbh

You are far too nice....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Sadly, it's not even that simple.

A friend, who is a community nurse and deals with the moving of patients to care homes, said that patients were being released to care homes without testing.

She told me of a case where a woman was in hospital with a hip issue and was sent back to her care home; she died with COVID-19 symptoms eight days later.

That woman was the first person in the care home to have died and there have been numerous since. Now, she may not have took it in there - she may have.

Same with community care, heard of wards discharging absolutely spitting venom at care agencies asking about COVID status or risk...

 

[ramacca]

Have to break that very gently to Hancock as he seems to take offense to everything said to him.

I know. Don't want to upset him, but he's a person promoted beyond his very very limited capabilities. The old fashioned can lad's job, would have stretched him to the limit.

 

[BrendanGOT]

I don't understand the "test test test" theory. It really feels like something thrown out there too much by people who want to have a say and sound like they know what they're doing. (Not you Legs lol I mean people like officials). Surely the plan should be to test for immunity and developing a damn good accurate testing process to go alongside it. You can't test everyone every day. I could get tested tomorrow and catch corona 2 days later then not test again for another 2 weeks by which stage I won't show as positive. Testing for the virus should be for people feeling sick or showing symptoms only. Immunity testing is key to figuring out who's had it (no longer needing testing) and who hasn't (continued testing during and or after any illness or symtoms). I don't get the idea of testing healthy people and it seems a huge waste of resources and time considering it's impossible to test everyone every day mixed in with a fairly high % of false positives from those current tests.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I’d have just lobbed a petrol bomb on their BBQ tbh

Seems fair, they'd defo have been @Toast after that.

 

[ramacca]

Same with community care, heard of wards discharging absolutely spitting venom at care agencies asking about COVID status or risk...

WATCH: There has been much speculation about how #covid19managed to sweep through care homes. So in this home, we tracked its spread. Carers say a patient was sent back from hospital with no notes. It took 10 days to confirm she had covid19. Three residents have since died.

How coronavirus spread in one UK care home | ITV News ...
www.youtube.com › watch

It is CQC's statutory obligation to investigate deaths in care homes, nursing homes and care in the community. No wonder there are angry relatives and friends.

 

[cooperman]

For anyone interested, here's the link to the paper I mentioned in an earlier post

ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination prevents SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia in rhesus macaques

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerged in December 2019[1][1],[2][2] and is responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic[3][3]. Vaccines are an essential countermeasure urgently needed to control the pandemic[4][4]. Here, we show that the adenovirus-vectored vaccine...

www.biorxiv.org

Not yet peer reviewed, as you'd expect. I would expect this to be very robust data.

It appears that the vaccine does not prevent the virus infecting the body entirely (the virus was still detected in the airways of subjects) but the more serious complications such a pneumonia were not found in those vaccinated.

Moving forward on this, it could lead to a situation where people are partially protected by this vaccine. They still get covid, but could avoid the deadly stuff and recover with their own immunity. Very encouraging!

 

[Catfish Blues]

I don't understand the "test test test" theory. It really feels like something thrown out there too much by people who want to have a say and sound like they know what they're doing. (Not you Legs lol I mean people like officials). Surely the plan should be to test for immunity and developing a damn good accurate testing process to go alongside it. You can't test everyone every day. I could get tested tomorrow and catch corona 2 days later then not test again for another 2 weeks by which stage I won't show as positive. Testing for the virus should be for people feeling sick or showing symptoms only. Immunity testing is key to figuring out who's had it (no longer needing testing) and who hasn't (continued testing during and or after any illness or symtoms). I don't get the idea of testing healthy people and it seems a huge waste of resources and time considering it's impossible to test everyone every day mixed in with a fairly high % of false positives from those current tests.

I agree with a fair amount of that, but it's really, really useful to be able to estimate accurately how many people are infected at a given time, so the regular testing their doing on a sample of the population ( which is one of the things that swab testing is being used for ), tells you where we stand.

At a current ( ie one off check ) infection rate of 0.3%, which is roughly what came back from the last ONS survey, you need to be able to test more people than were done in the last sample. If you're sampling 10,000 people, 0.3% is only 30 people, which means your error margin is high. Test 100,000 people, and 0.3% is 300 people, and your results are far more precise.


Combine that with antibody tests of the population to see who's been infected at any time, and you've got a full picture of what's going on.

Testing for immunity ( who's got antibodies, which are still effective against the virus ) will be ongoing, and will take months, and hopefully years to be conclusive.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Murderers I tell ya, murderers everywhere.

 

[ramacca]

There, there Mr Gove we trust you have the kids education at heart.

"Michael Gove was Secretary of State for Education (2010–2014). Tories cut per pupil spending on education in England by 8% in real terms (IFS). https://fullfact.org/education/school-spending-figures-misleading/… "If you really care about children" you will disregard anything Gove says".

Says it all really, from a person who has been in the Whitehall/Westminster epicentre of the virus and obviously hasn't followed their own advice..

And telling porkies to make it look like it's subsiding in London.

"However, claims there are now just 24 cases a day in the capital and that it could soon be free of the virus have been criticised.

There were in fact 49 people admitted to London hospitals with Covid-19 yesterday and probably hundreds of cases that did not need hospital treatment.

"I am extremely worried about the media message that London could be coronavirus free in days," said Prof Matt Keeling, from the University of Warwick.

He added: "If people think London is coronavirus-free that could be dangerous, and could lead to complacency, undermining all the struggles and sacrifices that everyone has made so far. A relaxation of vigilance could easily see R increasing above 1, and a second epidemic wave."

 

[PhilM]

Same with community care, heard of wards discharging absolutely spitting venom at care agencies asking about COVID status or risk...

I don't blame the nurses, wards and their managers and such because for long periods the testing capability simply wasn't there and nor were they a priority.

They were told to clear beds so there was more capacity due to the expected on rush, but ultimately it's cost many lives.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I don't blame the nurses, wards and their managers and such because for long periods the testing capability simply wasn't there and nor were they a priority.

They were told to clear beds so there was more capacity due to the expected on rush, but ultimately it's cost many lives.

Yea, lets be honest about it, the people right at the top of the tree knew they didn't have the testing capability and they decided to prioritise incoming patients over patients being discharged to care homes.

In retrospect, that looks like it's had dire consequences, but the root cause of the problem was the lack of testing capacity, and the secondary cause was not finding an alternative to discharging to care homes and/or care homes, through no fault of their own, not being able to quarantine discharged patients for a fortnight.