Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[orchard]

Given that there is some confusion around the number of 'excess' deaths that are caused by the virus itself, and how many are caused by the lockdown measures, I wonder given the willingness of many to toss around murderer statements, whether they would be happy to countenance the number of deaths their hyperbole might have caused?

Listening to the radio this morning and they spoke about a survey looking at the impact of the lockdown on schooling of children, and middle class kids are studying far more than working class kids at the moment, for various factors. Despite this, middle class parents were happier for their kids to go back to school than working class parents. There have been numerous studies showing that lower-educated folk are more susceptible to fake news, conspiracy theories, and the like, so what responsibility do those crying murderers wolf take?

Very emotive Bruce, you must have sensitive feelings in this regard, because you've now dropped stating that factually, other death categories will be lower, as will other factors like school bullying.

Why did you leave these out, having a competition with Dave?

 

[bullybeef]

You would hope the summer holiday would be scrapped, or at the least shortened considerably.

No chance... we’ve got a 6 week tour of Wales, Scotland and NI booked and paid for.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Very emotive Bruce, you must have sensitive feelings in this regard, because you've now dropped stating that factually, other death categories will be lower, as will other factors like school bullying.

Why did you leave these out, having a competition with Dave?

All I'm saying is that just as there is an appropriate response to this pandemic, there are responses that are too lax, and responses that are too cautious. We see the evidence of fear in the huge reduction in normal hospital admissions during the crisis, which will have had consequences that we're perhaps unable to countenance at the moment. Similarly, a gentleman was on R4 this morning saying his wife died in a care home not because of covid, but because he was prevented from visiting her and she stopped eating as a result.

The actions we take have consequences, and no response to this will leave society unscathed in some way, shape, or form. I just wish that those, such as Dave, who are screaming blue murder would accept that the things they advocate have consequences too. For instance, I was reading a new paper from Washington St Louis University this morning on various easing of lockdown scenarios. As you can see from the below, no scenario has what could be described as a 'good' outcome. I get the sense that people, such as Whitty, who are derived remorselessly on here, get that in a way that many of those slinging the mud do not.

https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.04.13.20062802 is the research if anyone's interested.

 

[Lee Smith]

You would hope the summer holiday would be scrapped, or at the least shortened considerably.

Why’s that? During lockdown my two kids have been home schooling a similar number of hours a day that they would have been at school, and I’ve been working from home Monday to Friday. We haven’t been treating these last few weeks as a holiday, neither have teachers.

 

[mill]

Given that there is some confusion around the number of 'excess' deaths that are caused by the virus itself, and how many are caused by the lockdown measures, I wonder given the willingness of many to toss around murderer statements, whether they would be happy to countenance the number of deaths their hyperbole might have caused?

Listening to the radio this morning and they spoke about a survey looking at the impact of the lockdown on schooling of children, and middle class kids are studying far more than working class kids at the moment, for various factors. Despite this, middle class parents were happier for their kids to go back to school than working class parents. There have been numerous studies showing that lower-educated folk are more susceptible to fake news, conspiracy theories, and the like, so what responsibility do those crying murderers wolf take?

I’m still massively in two minds about the school thing.

As a parent do I want to risk my daughter being exposed to a virus we can’t combat yet? (No matter how low the odds are for her). Do I want to expose others? Expose children with vulnerable people at home? Expose teachers? Plus she’s of an age where she cant go to school and given the geography round here the drop off and pick up side of things will be problematic (and difficult to fix really).

However, on the other hand I’m really concerned about the effects this will have on her if it was long term. She needs to be around peers first and foremost. In a classroom setting. Taught by professionals. It’s a great little school and I don’t want her missing out on those experiences at all. Plus I’m looking at it from a privileged perspective. There are a lot of vulnerable children out there. It reminds me of my old primary school headteacher. She hated school holidays because she worried about the vulnerable kids. She said at least she knew that they were getting a proper meal each day when they were in school. It’s easy to think that everyone’s experience of lockdown is similar to our own.

I’m massively conflicted by it all. If I’m honest, I don’t really have any confidence in this government that their actions are well intentioned. I’m not trying to get into a political debate here, this is just my personal opinion. They’ve shown in the past their intentions and the lengths they are willing to go to and so I don’t feel particular comfortable with their decision making. At least that their motives are right.

This isn’t a political view by the way. It’s not about ideology. I know there are lots of valid economic, social and political philosophies and we all just pick the ones that suit us most closely.

It’s that those people, particularly the inner circle, are callous and self serving. They don’t care about the working classes. They are on record what they think about them. Also on record what they think about vulnerable people.

That’s the issue for me. I don’t have faith they’ll do the right thing which makes it harder.

 

[Tipp blue]

I'm going to make a bold prediction that in absolute certain will be true.

Even if the vaccine is successful, there's no chance whatsoever 30m doses of it will be available in September.

Also companies have been buying up the glass viles that a vaccine would be put in, so they are in short supply too. If and when a company does come up with a vaccine they'll need something to put it in, and will likely have to pay inflated prices for the glass from the companies buying them up.. pure greed buying glass in anticipation of a vaccine.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why’s that? During lockdown my two kids have been home schooling a similar number of hours a day that they would have been at school, and I’ve been working from home Monday to Friday. We haven’t been treating these last few weeks as a holiday, neither have teachers.

The data I've seen suggests an average of two hours home schooling per day is the norm.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

another boring week starts, eh. hope you are all doing fine..

 

[PhilM]

The data I've seen suggests an average of two hours home schooling per day is the norm.

What about the staff, like from my daughter's school, who have been working pretty much 8am - 4pm every day if the lessons they're receiving are to go by?

My girls have been doing between five and six hours per day with worked marked and regularly check-ups; it may not be the same or as intense, but they've worked.

I also know that my wife in her role has consistently worked (from home and going in) throughout the past seven or so week, including during the Easter break.

Knowing that in such examples they have worked and within their contract they're not paid for the summer holidays (pay is pro-rata), how will that work out?

That's not to say it's just about staff and their own circumstances because it's much greater than that, but it's surely not as simple as saying pro-long the year.

 

[Lee Smith]

The data I've seen suggests an average of two hours home schooling per day is the norm.

Well most schools have been setting a work plan to do from home which is comparable (as much as possible) to what would have been done if the kids had been in school. I understand that some parents may not have been in a position to ensure their kids had been keeping up, but I don't see why that means those who have been have to miss out on an actual holiday. And as I say, teachers have been working the same as usual, I'm sure they would like to have a proper break also.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well most schools have been setting a work plan to do from home which is comparable (as much as possible) to what would have been done if the kids had been in school. I understand that some parents may not have been in a position to ensure their kids had been keeping up, but I don't see why that means those who have been have to miss out on an actual holiday. And as I say, teachers have been working the same as usual, I'm sure they would like to have a proper break also.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

There are serious questions to be asked of several Tory cabinet MP's and the PM for lying about the measures they were taking in care homes.

I remember weeks ago in this thread I said I could make a compelling case for people returning to care homes having been in hospital with Covid-19 to been tested above NHS workers who were getting all the tests, these people returning should have been priority number one above all others, common sense tells you that.

Say 25 NHS workers get tested in a hospital instead of 30, because 5 tests are needed for those returning to care homes that day, that's all it needed.

GMTV have just played various clips of MP's saying care homes were being protected and they were lying their arses off.

Nearly half of all deaths from this virus are in care homes, there is a chance they could overtake hospitals as the place of death for most people suffering.

Read this Reuters report, and find out who the blatant lairs are in this scandal, Johnson, Gove and Hancock up to their necks in this.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

 

[tsubaki]

There are serious questions to be asked of several Tory cabinet MP's and the PM for lying about the measures they were taking in care homes.

I remember weeks ago in this thread I said I could make a compelling case for people returning to care homes having been in hospital with Covid-19 to been tested above NHS workers who were getting all the tests, these people returning should have been priority number one above all others, common sense tells you that.

Say 25 NHS workers get tested in a hospital instead of 30, because 5 tests are needed for those returning to care homes that day, that's all it needed.

GMTV have just played various clips of MP's saying care homes were being protected and they were lying their arses off.

Nearly half of all deaths from this virus are in care homes, there is a chance they could overtake hospitals as the place of death for most people suffering.

Read this Reuters report, and find out who the blatant lairs are in this scandal, Johnson, Gove and Hancock up to their necks in this.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

TBF they are as incompetent at fibs as they are at governing.

 

[Lee Smith]

Well those figures show that over 50% of teachers have still been working at least 5-7 hours a day for the month of April. And around 25% have still been working 7-9 or more. Those teachers haven't been having much of a holiday have they. And again, why should kids who have been working from home miss out on an actual holiday?