Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Firstly, PHE and the government have shown no desire or will to find out how those in educational establishments caught the disease. No attempt to find out scientifically what has happened, should send alarms bells ringing to anyone, in particular those in schools.
As far as children and passing on the virus.
Video all parents need to see: terrifying French study shows what awaits UK if Johnson proceeds with school opening plan
38% of the school’s pupils had become infected – and among school staff, 43% of teachers and 60% of non-teaching staff caught the disease.
"Across the school, an average of 40% were infected.
As Drosten concludes, with those kinds of numbers “you cannot open schools”.
The French study is not the only frightening one. A Geneva study of 23 infected children aged 7 months to 15 years showed that 50% of them – including 3 cases of babies less than 3 months old – had high concentration of infectious material when swabbed.
Given that younger children are less able to socially distance, it would be even more dangerous to open nurseries and primary schools than schools for older school students. Other studies indicate similar results".
Opening up schools would be a disaster for staff, pupils and their parents and others that mix with them. Without proper due care and attention to the health and safety of staff flies in the face of duty of care. Equally, any worker can refuse to go to work if they feel it is unsafe to do so. Joe Anderson and the education unions are rights to raise concerns and argue against opening up schools.
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Most other countries are sending kids back? Quite frankly I would look at the countries who are suffering as badly as we are. Comparable countries would be Spain, Italy and France, not Germany or Denmark where their handling of the virus has left them in a position where they have fewer infections to deal with. France are sending kids back but teachers aren't reacting well and are quite fearful. Time will tell what happens there. Spain and Italy have said no school until September -- they both have fewer infections than us despite being hit earlier.
Comparing teacher infections now seems a bit odd as the vast majority have been working from home, so their exposure has naturally been a lot more limited. Recent surveys have shown the overwhelming majority of parents are worried about sending kids back so I would say most agree with Joe. The unions and teachers certainly do as well. So not sure I agree with you there either.
I don't understand why people don't get teachers' concerns. It's not comparable to almost any other job when it comes to the inability to social distance and the likelihood of catching anything and everything. The first day I had training to teach I was told to stock up on vitamins because I would get ill. And ill again. And again. And it has proven to be accurate as schools are hotspots for passing on illnesses. So to tell teachers that it's okay to go back to such an environment without any protective equipment, and in the case of primary schools, that the aim is to have all the kids back in the building simultaneously for a month... whilst also saying these same kids can't visit their vulnerable grandparents. Well, forgive us teachers for being skeptical and concerned.
I am a realist. I know schools cannot remain closed to the majority forever. I know I am fortunate to still be being paid whilst working from home (note: not on holiday, not furloughed, still working every day). I know there is an unavoidable certainty that we will all have to take on some risk. But right now "the science" says that risk is too high. By the Government's own five tests, we do not have the ability to track and trace like the kind of countries who are effectively handling the pandemic. We do not have low enough infection or death rates -- they are falling but taking so much longer to do so than almost anywhere else in the world. Lastly, and this is the most pertinent issue, we do not understand how children spread this illness. This is why children are not meant to see their grandparents and why both the chief scientific advisor of the DfE and the country's chief medical officer have both said in the last week that they are not sure how children spread the disease. To pedal anything that suggest we know otherwise is dangerous.
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Ah yes, because Governments have always have the peoples interests at heart right?
As usual, woefully misinformed. I quoted one MP from an answer to a question on Facebook. Mob rule was referring to the insults and demands for resignation on Twitter being made based on hearsay.
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Pull your boxers up, go downstairs and ask your mum whether you're allowed to be on a public forum. If you are, please start a diary in the alehouse. Thanks.
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The mad thing is by “governments” he means “Dr. Oz”
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Study claims around 25% of the UK have had Covid and I think that could be about right when you consider the amount of people infected and the R number being around 3 at the end of March. I'm not saying it was covid but I had a bad case of something around christmas and never felt so weak, I was at the game on Boxing Day and probably infected half of the crowd. If it as just flu then so be it, I also lost my sense of taste and smell around end of March and felt knackered. The antibody test will prove this anyway.
This is misleading. There is evidence that they have a lower transmission, but there is little conclusive evidence they do not transmit the virus.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information but it's not accurate.
I feel this whole experience should make people change the way we look at things like Flu. We shouldn't be going to football matches when we're ill like that.
(I say we as I probably would have done the same in your position)
This whole school conundrum has brought to the forefront years of under investment in schools. If we hadn't allowed class sizes generally to balloon it would be an easier conversation to have with how you slowly phase in classes.
I don't see how you can square the circle of fifteen in a class when the average is more than double that ?
I don't see how you can square the circle of fifteen in a class when the average is more than double that ?
It's hard to draw parallels with flu seasonal epidemics - I myself two years ago had the worst flu I'd ever experienced (to be fair I don't catch flu that often)
I was in bed totally out of it for a week and it took over six weeks for before my energy levels came back - I lost my voice and sense of smell for almost two months - my sense of smell has never returned properly since.
It was very scary, but probably just seasonal flu.
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