Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

Don`t worry, he`s on the " to be slaughtered " list, so he won`t be with us for much longer.

He may actually have a point with this one though. Idiot doesn't come into it

 

[Catfish Blues]

You are right.The place I work is a Brits only complex 28 rooms.Even if Brits do come he won't open on 40% maximum capacity.It is just not financially viable for him.

I spoke to a bloke I know on a small ( about 1000 inhabitants ) island near Patmos the other day. He's run a taverna there for more years than I can remember and about a third of his trade is from the yachting brigade which just isn't going ti happen. He might open in August for when the Athenians and Italians normally swamp the island, but that'll be it.

Part of his problem is half of his staff ( kitchen and front of house ) aren't local, so come over from Athens or Thessaloniki for the season ( mid May to late Sept ) and it's just not worth bringing people over for four or five weeks.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Worse in care homes than is being reported according to LSE.

Exclusive Real care home death toll double official figure, study says

"The figures came as the Alzheimer’s Society said care homes have been “left to fend for themselves” amid continuing shortage of personal protective equipment and testing for residents and difficulties isolating infected residents.

It said that of more than 100 homes surveyed last week, 43% were still not confident of their PPE supply, with one home resorting to taping bags around carers’ arms, feet and hair. Fifty-eight percent of homes said they were unable to isolate residents and a third said they have taken in Covid-19 positive patients discharged from hospital".

So who do we believe, hmmmmm...

'More than 22,000 care home residents in England and Wales may have died as a direct or indirect result of Covid-19, academics have calculated'

'ONS statisticians said on Tuesday that 8,314 people had died from confirmed or suspected Covid-19 in English care homes'

 

[Hickson9]

So who do we believe, hmmmmm...

'More than 22,000 care home residents in England and Wales may have died as a direct or indirect result of Covid-19, academics have calculated'

'ONS statisticians said on Tuesday that 8,314 people had died from confirmed or suspected Covid-19 in English care homes'

Both stats are true.

The higher figure is excess deaths, the lower figure is deaths with confirmed or suspected Covid.

The unexplained deaths in most cases are also likely to be Covid of course.

 

[Brisan123]

Probably. The S/E system is way more complicated than the PAYE one, so I get that delays are to be expected.

Will wait by the post box anyrate, and see what figure they magic up for me.

Just hope its the postman and not a delivery driver that brings the letter lol

 

[marnie]

Sorry if it’s been asked before, but what is the work/non work/furlough situation in Greece?

Supposedly 400 euro a month from the government,of which I haven't received any yet in 6 weeks.Many have,but there are quite a few who haven't up to now.

 

[marnie]

I spoke to a bloke I know on a small ( about 1000 inhabitants ) island near Patmos the other day. He's run a taverna there for more years than I can remember and about a third of his trade is from the yachting brigade which just isn't going ti happen. He might open in August for when the Athenians and Italians normally swamp the island, but that'll be it.

Part of his problem is half of his staff ( kitchen and front of house ) aren't local, so come over from Athens or Thessaloniki for the season ( mid May to late Sept ) and it's just not worth bringing people over for four or five weeks.

Totally understandable.

 

[zzr45]

So you can officially play Tennis today, how you going to stay safe, wash your hands after every service game?

He's not thought it through has he.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Just hope its the postman and not a delivery driver that brings the letter lol

If it's a delivery driver you'll be drawing your pension by the time he gets to you. lol

 

[mill]

Both stats are true.

The higher figure is excess deaths, the lower figure is deaths with confirmed or suspected Covid.

The unexplained deaths in most cases are also likely to be Covid of course.

I think the excess deaths are the best measure of the impact really. There is no massaging of figures. No need to rely on how the deaths are recorded or where they happened.
Effectively, at the end of the year, we need to see how many more people have died than usually would. I think you need a whole year (possibly 2 if I’m honest) as I think this will help with the effect this virus will have in the normal seasonality.
Sorry if this sounds a bit cold. Trying to look at it objectively.

 

[ramacca]

So who do we believe, hmmmmm...

'More than 22,000 care home residents in England and Wales may have died as a direct or indirect result of Covid-19, academics have calculated'

'ONS statisticians said on Tuesday that 8,314 people had died from confirmed or suspected Covid-19 in English care homes'

That's why ONS are looking at the figures.

"The UK death toll from Covid-19 has surpassed 40,000, according to official figures, with almost 10,000 care home residents now having died from coronavirus.

The Office for National Statistics said on Tuesday that 35,044 deaths involving Covid-19 were registered in England and Wales up to 9 May. Adding the latest figures for Scotland and Northern Ireland and more up to date fatalities from the four nations , the total official UK death toll now stands at 40,496".

The government claim 33 186.

So who do we believe?

 

[Brisan123]

I was going to post the following on my Facebook but thought I’d stick it in here first and see what the reaction is. I’m literally just interpreting statistics. I’m not attempting to make any suggestions on how people should live their lives over the next few weeks or months. Those decisions will be partly dictated by the government decisions and also your own judgement.

I’ve just spent a little time on the website of the Office of National Statistics (LINK) looking in to the death rate from Covid-19 to see what the real risks are and to see who is really vulnerable. The results were both shocking (because it’s not something I’d seen reported in the news) and not shocking (because it seems to show what I’d expect).

The first death reported in the UK occurred in the week ending 13th March. In the following 8 weeks up to the week ending 1st May there have been a total of 33,365 deaths relating to Covid-19. It is totally unknown how many of these deaths were actually caused by Covid-19 as the only reported stats just show those that die while having the Covid-19 virus in their body at the time of death. It’s possible they may have been showing absolutely no symptoms of Covid-19 and their death was caused by something else. We’ll never know the real numbers of actual Covid-19 deaths.

What I have found interesting however if the deaths split by age range.

Age 0 to 39 - 0.64% of total covid-19 related deaths up to 1st May 2020
Age 40 to 41 - 1.52%
Age 50 to 59 - 5.03%
Age 60 to 69 - 10.59%
Age 70 to 79 - 23.64%
Age 80 to 99 - 58.58%

To me it seems very clear that those most at risk are the over 60s and that the older you are, the greater the risk. That sounds familiar, that just sounds like death in general. The older you are, the more you are at risk of dying.

But what shocked me the most is the relatively small percentage of people under the age of 60 who have died relating to Covid-19. Just 7.19% of all Covid-19 deaths have been under the age of 60 and an even smaller 2.16% if you are under 40. Some of you may say that is still too many, well yes, no one wants anyone dying but the cold hard truth is that people die of illnesses every single day. Life is a risk, life has a finite time limit, life comes to an end. But if you are sat at home in lockdown and too scared to go back to work or send your kids back to school or to go to the supermarket more than once a week, just look at the statistics and do your own risk assessment.

If you are under 60 there is only a very small chance that you will be adversely affected by Covid-19. If you are under the age of 40 this risk becomes even smaller, so small that it shouldn’t really be any real concern or affect your life too much. So when the government tell you to ‘Be Alert’, maybe you should be alert to the risks of Covid-19. Children will potentially be returning back to school in the next few weeks because they are in the very lowest of risk categories. The statistics show that those children will be relatively safe and at very little risk. What parents need to be aware of in the coming months is that children shouldn’t be spending time with the elderly. Unfortunately the only way to keep the death rate as low as possible is to keep the over 60s as isolated as possible. Most over 60s are going to be retired and therefore won’t need to return to work. Although they may want their lives to return to normal, they are the ones that need to make the sacrifice and continue their lockdown.

I am grand till June 3rd then I am up sh1t creek lol

 

[Brisan123]

What it says to me is, if you are under 60 get back to work immediately......

Been in work from the off Pete
Women need their chocolate
All you husbands can thank me later lol

 

[Brisan123]

They were taken by surprise, we saw what was happening there and did nothing.

We had the luxury of a warning and didnt heed it.

We saw dead lying in hospital wards and turned our heads whilst we watched horse racing.

That the Government encouraged that is a major crime

 

[Brisan123]

It takes few weeks, most of those countries are coming out of their lock-downs and their current numbers are from things that happened 2 weeks ago and beyond, I will keep you guys posted in the next few days, but look at our chart (Daily new cases) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/lebanon/ for the past few weeks all our cases were contacts of previous cases, this past few days they are cases without any contact with a previous case, i know our numbers are nothing compared to what's happening in your country but jumping from 3 to 30 is 10X, hopefully just a blip, will keep you posted in the next few days

Stay safe