Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

Work in photography sector mate

If he asks you about naked women, say nothing.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

All the stuff you linked earlier basically said it can't be used for the wrong reasons though. So am I correct in saying that anybody found to be doing so is acting criminally.?

The NHSX link also said that the app was just part of a bigger project of TTI, and the government has said that it is employing and training 18,000 specifically for this purpose.

Yes, I'm pretty relaxed in terms of it being used for the wrong ends. It being effective on the other hand, I'm cautiously skeptical about, but I don't share the paranoia going about. Sadly when trust is abused, however, this kind of largely irrational fear is more common.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

If he asks you about naked women, say nothing.....

Funnily enough I've done quite a bit of work over recent years with an agency in Manchester for lingerie models lol

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why are there privacy concerns about new phone app?

The principle worry is the Government’s decision to take a centralised approach, meaning the anonymous data is fed to a computer server.

Critics fear this could open the door to pervasive state surveillance and privacy infringement.

Other countries have taken what is known as a decentralised approach, where the data sharing is kept between devices.

However, the Government insists data will be kept between phones, until the moment an individual needs to get in contact with the NHS.

I'm not great on techno stuff, but a lot of the criticism I've seen on this is that it shouldn't be relied upon as the sole means of TTI, but as part of a wider more comprehensive TTI project. For me, this would need to be done on a local basis with each local hub having team of analysts/investigators. The NHSX website says it is part of a bigger project, but doesn't say how localised it will be, not at his stage anyway.

If the data sharing is kept between devices, does this not mean that the ITT hubs won't get to share the data.? How can it work as part of a wider scheme if it doesn't share information with it.

Surely the whole idea of this is to identify and manage/control local outbreaks as we start to open up the lockdown. If you don't have an app that contributes to this, there's no point is there?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, just had word through about Edelman's latest trust report, and national government leaders came out on top in terms of 'doing a good job during the pandemic', which is, erm, interesting.

 

[marnie]

Funnily enough I've done quite a bit of work over recent years with an agency in Manchester for lingerie models lol

MMA ?

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Barnfred 55]

Yes, I'm pretty relaxed in terms of it being used for the wrong ends. It being effective on the other hand, I'm cautiously skeptical about, but I don't share the paranoia going about. Sadly when trust is abused, however, this kind of largely irrational fear is more common.

Used in isolation I tend to agree. But as part of a larger, localised process, surely it will identify many people who would be missed if you were relying just on old fashioned manual investigative means. Every little bit helps, especially if it means we can start to open up the country again with a degree of safety.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Used in isolation I tend to agree. But as part of a larger, localised process, surely it will identify many people who would be missed if you were relying just on old fashioned manual investigative means. Every little bit helps, especially if it means we can start to open up the country again with a degree of safety.

Oh, it's just my default position with any government, and especially NHS, IT announcement. The intention and the end result seldom match, so I default to being underwhelmed.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I'm not great on techno stuff, but a lot of the criticism I've seen on this is that it shouldn't be relied upon as the sole means of TTI, but as part of a wider more comprehensive TTI project. For me, this would need to be done on a local basis with each local hub having team of analysts/investigators. The NHSX website says it is part of a bigger project, but doesn't say how localised it will be, not at his stage anyway.

If the data sharing is kept between devices, does this not mean that the ITT hubs won't get to share the data.? How can it work as part of a wider scheme if it doesn't share information with it.

Surely the whole idea of this is to identify and manage/control local outbreaks as we start to open up the lockdown. If you don't have an app that contributes to this, there's no point is there?

As I've said before mate, the government seem to do a lot of stuff off the hoof without putting the necessary info out there. I think this is why people are so sceptical about anything the government does.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Interesting paper about the legal implications of an 'immunity passport'

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31034-5/fulltext

 

[Roger Milla]

Conversely, no fascist government that I've ever heard of would be asking their subjects permission to do something that they could very easily enforce legally.

They're doing a lot of things in stealth at the minute to be fair

 

[Brisan123]

I suspect we will see a huge demand & uptake for the vaccine this year by the worried well mate, people who never bothered before will seek it this year, if covid is still as live as it is now. Our leader is already marking our card here.

From a social protection point of view, i really hope its pushed hard this year and people understand its importance. A bad dose of the flu would have very similar symptoms to covid and could be a huge draw on testing, PPE and general health resources as well as just managing the flu. I would hate to think of the scene if there was an out break of both. Its going to be frightening this year for anyone who picks up the flu, wondering if its covid or not.

Weirdly though we might never have been this well prepared, with people (in the main) very conscious of their hand and respiratory hygiene and social distancing and the like.

Over here in Ireland, its free for anyone with a medical card - a card that gives you free health care, its means tested or based on age - so usually low income households, people with disabilities or pensioners would have one.

Health care workers get it free of charge to. There are a couple of other groups who are entitled to it for free - over 65's, expectant mothers, have a long term chronic condition, carers, or residents in long term residential care home, or anyone who works with pigs or poultry. The last group, while the vaccine is free, you might have to pay your GP for the consult. Everyone else has to pay. Like the states GPs are usually very good at pushing and contacting those in vulnerable groups.

The aim every year in our health service is to have 60% of heath workers vaccinated, honestly we are poor, the uptake was below 40% this year, i dont think we will have the same problems come Oct 2020 though.

Some companies give it out free ,ours does and I know of a couple of private schools give it free to staff

 

[Barnfred 55]

Oh, it's just my default position with any government, and especially NHS, IT announcement. The intention and the end result seldom match, so I default to being underwhelmed.

Historically speaking it's a wise stance to adopt.

however I'm just tending to view most things in isolation these days, mainly because this virus has affected almost everything and normal circumstances no longer apply.

 

[Bungle]

Funnily enough I've done quite a bit of work over recent years with an agency in Manchester for lingerie models lol

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