Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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He's getting a lot of grief for not wading into the government at this moment in time but I actually think he's going about it in the right way. He's questioning the government without it looking like he's just out to score political points etc, and whilst Labour voters will want him to wade in, at the end of the day he has to convince the rest of the country that him and our party are votable.

I actually think we'll see him hold the government to account when we're through the worst of the situation we find ourselves in now.

Absolutely. Knee jerking now would hurt the lines of investigation later. He's handling it very well. Always got to remember we still have a crisis at the moment - a war - so he can't ever come across as disloyal to the national cause.
 
1.8 million people in Germany could be infected with coronavirus, researchers find

A new study out of Germany has suggested that the coronavirus infection rate there could be much higher than initially thought. Some 1.8 million people could be infected nationwide, a quarter of them without symptoms.

The number of coronavirus infections in Germany could be 10 times higher than currently thought, researchers from the University of Bonn have concluded in the final edition of the much-discussed Heinsberg Report, which took a closer look at the effects of COVID-19 on a small community in Germany.

Led by virologist Hendrik Streeck, researchers examined the effects of the coronavirus on the community of Gangelt in the district of Heinsberg in the western German state of North Rhine-Westphalia. Gangelt was hit heavily by COVID-19 after the infection was able to spread at a local Carnival celebration held in February.

The Bonn researchers studied the line of infection in Gangelt as well as what groups became infected, what symptoms they displayed, and how often the infection resulted in death.

Just over 900 people from 404 different households were tested. Results showed around 15% testing positive for coronavirus, a figure five times higher than the nationally reported rate.

Such a rate on a national scale would mean there are as many as 1.8 million infections in Germany, or 10 times the amount currently known to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI).

RKI figures currently show around 163,000 cases of the new coronavirus in Germany.

Nearly a quarter are asymptomatic

Researchers also found that 22% of all infections were asymptomatic, meaning the people did not display any of the symptoms associated with the virus, including fever or cough. These numbers line up with findings out of China and South Korea, where around a fifth of those infected reportedly do not realize they are sick and are therefore unaware that they could be infecting those around them.

"Streecks assumption that we have a high number of unreported cases has now been scientifically verified," said Minister President of North Rhine-Westphalia Armin Laschet, who said the report was an important document for informing future discussions on how to proceed with coronavirus measures in Germany.

"The results can help improve modelling used to estimate how the virus will spread," said co-author of the study Gunther Hartmann. "Thus far, the data basis in this regard was comparatively shaky."

That's long been the thoughts of academia and researchers. I remember a month or 2 ago there were studies suggesting that up to 50% of the UK had already been infected by the virus and similar figures elsewhere in Europe.

We know for sure it's much much higher but until the antibody tests go live we can only speculate.
 
Technology expert on five live right now, twenty years of experience in the field, who is very sceptical about the app and believes the data it gathers won’t make much of a difference.
 
That's long been the thoughts of academia and researchers. I remember a month or 2 ago there were studies suggesting that up to 50% of the UK had already been infected by the virus and similar figures elsewhere in Europe.

We know for sure it's much much higher but until the antibody tests go live we can only speculate.

It's like the stuff coming out of France now that they may have had their first case back in December.
 
Absolutely. Knee jerking now would hurt the lines of investigation later. He's handling it very well. Always got to remember we still have a crisis at the moment - a war - so he can't ever come across as disloyal to the national cause.
How would it be 'disloyal' to the national cause? It's being disloyal to the nation if he continues to fail to address the tens of thousands of people dying as a result of Tory incompetency. It's only the Tory cause that would suffer if he went in far more critically than he has done.

He's not striking the right balance between offering a way forward and addressing huge and continuing political failures. It's weak.
 
Technology expert on five live right now, twenty years of experience in the field, who is very sceptical about the app and believes the data it gathers won’t make much of a difference.
It's BS. The means aren't there to make it work. Logistically it's a non-starter.

It's another cat thrown onto the table by Tory spin doctors trying to deflect from the fact they haven't got any wish to seriously get out there and go after this virus. A fig leaf to enable what they desperately want to happen - and their donors desperately want to happen - a reopening of the economy.
 
Anthony Costello (former director with WHO) nailed the tracking apps last night on Newsnight: an not excuse to do the hard slog of boots on the ground searching through the population.

General rule of thumb: if this government recommends and throws its weight behind anything it'll be an excuse to avoid doing the right thing.
It sounds to me like Ireland's governing class have dealt pretty efficiently with this. Early lockdown; testing and tracing in the community - and you'll get the benefit of that soon in terms of easing down the lockdown measures.
So the development of an app that allows for tracing in the community is a bad thing, despite you praising Ireland for doing similar, albeit more labour intensively, earlier in the crisis?

Also, Costello had bugger all to do with the spread of viruses in his work with WHO.
 
So the development of an app that allows for tracing in the community is a bad thing, despite you praising Ireland for doing similar, albeit more labour intensively, earlier in the crisis?

Without someone to go knocking on doors, yes.

Otherwise it would be like having a ridesharing app whilst living in a city that banned cars.
 
How would it be 'disloyal' to the national cause? It's being disloyal to the nation if he continues to fail to address the tens of thousands of people dying as a result of Tory incompetency. It's only the Tory cause that would suffer if he went in far more critically than he has done.

He's not striking the right balance between offering a way forward and addressing huge and continuing political failures. It's weak.

How many people have died that wouldn't have under a Corbyn government Dave? And do please show your workings.
 
It's BS. The means aren't there to make it work. Logistically it's a non-starter.

It's another cat thrown onto the table by Tory spin doctors trying to deflect from the fact they haven't got any wish to seriously get out there and go after this virus. A fig leaf to enable what they desperately want to happen - and their donors desperately want to happen - a reopening of the economy.

I presume your support for the Apple and Google solution means any time a private provider is chosen over the NHS in future you won't scream PRIVATISATION!!!?
 
Without someone to go knocking on doors, yes.

Otherwise it would be like having a ridesharing app whilst living in a city that banned cars.
There is an element of that tied into too, is there not?

'The programme will be done using an NHS app plus 18,000 human contact tracers, 15,000 in call centres and 3,000 in the field. '

 
It's like the stuff coming out of France now that they may have had their first case back in December.

Similar to come out of the States too from what I’ve been reading too.

The French findings pre date Chinese first official declaration of the disease by several days.

Which if the case has the CCP ( great bunch of lads ) bang to rights.
 
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