Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Would have to look how South Korea collates and manages data to make an informed decision on that. Also culturally very different to the UK.
Seems ironic constantly demanded to think for ourselves and when we do some throw a head wobble.

Not sure the culture differences are that great tbh; the big difference is that we have much the same technology as them but have been told for ages not to worry about the man reading your emails / tracking your every move / seeing who you hang around with, so when it becomes obvious that can be done there is a furore here in the way there wasn’t there.
 
Time will tell if this is any better at getting supplies in.


"Therefore, it is vital that the UK Government procures items nationally, rather than individual NHS organisations compete with each other for the same supplies, to protect the health of NHS staff and patients across the whole country".

The irony.

The idea of managed competition in the NHS soon discarded in a crisis.
 
Would have to look how South Korea collates and manages data to make an informed decision on that. Also culturally very different to the UK.
Seems ironic constantly demanded to think for ourselves and when we do some throw a head wobble.
Again though, there seems to be a conflation that the use of data within the NHS is synonymous with how shadier companies have previously used it. Personally, I'm very skeptical of the whole veneration of data for the purposes of manipulation. By and large most data is useless or so specific as to make it's use nigh impossible on a broader scale. Stuff like CA was done on a scale based on trends and regretably did seem to work. I don't really see how my movements would actually be of particular interest to anyone beyond myself.
 
Not sure the culture differences are that great tbh; the big difference is that we have much the same technology as them but have been told for ages not to worry about the man reading your emails / tracking your every move / seeing who you hang around with, so when it becomes obvious that can be done there is a furore here in the way there wasn’t there.
I suppose their class divide is up their with the best so similar. However, technology internet, way better than ours we cling onto that Victorian infrastructure like Gollum and his precious. Thinking on lines of its relationship and dynamic with USA North Korea and China...
 
Again though, there seems to be a conflation that the use of data within the NHS is synonymous with how shadier companies have previously used it. Personally, I'm very skeptical of the whole veneration of data for the purposes of manipulation. By and large most data is useless or so specific as to make it's use nigh impossible on a broader scale. Stuff like CA was done on a scale based on trends and regretably did seem to work. I don't really see how my movements would actually be of particular interest to anyone beyond myself.

Precisely.

Individual movements of GoT users going to the big Tesco is hardly going to create a dystopia. Alternatively not providing said data could result in people dying.

Socialism when it suits.
 
Anthony Costello (former director with WHO) nailed the tracking apps last night on Newsnight: an not excuse to do the hard slog of boots on the ground searching through the population.

General rule of thumb: if this government recommends and throws its weight behind anything it'll be an excuse to avoid doing the right thing.
 
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/ross-township-apparent-murder-suicide/

I hope his work is publish and his death thoroughly investigated.
According to police, the two victims knew each other. Investigators say they believe the male found in his car shot and killed the man in the Elm Court home before coming back to his car and taking his own life.

Ross Township detectives are continuing to investigate the circumstances and motives for the crime.

Police do not believe a suspect to be at large or a danger to the public.


That last sentence seems a tad redundant...
 
1.8 million people in Germany could be infected with coronavirus, researchers find

A new study out of Germany has suggested that the coronavirus infection rate there could be much higher than initially thought. Some 1.8 million people could be infected nationwide, a quarter of them without symptoms.

The number of coronavirus infections in Germany could be 10 times higher than currently thought, researchers from the University of Bonn have concluded in the final edition of the much-discussed Heinsberg Report, which took a closer look at the effects of COVID-19 on a small community in Germany.

Led by virologist Hendrik Streeck, researchers examined the effects of the coronavirus on the community of Gangelt in the district of Heinsberg in the western German state of North Rhine-Westphalia. Gangelt was hit heavily by COVID-19 after the infection was able to spread at a local Carnival celebration held in February.

The Bonn researchers studied the line of infection in Gangelt as well as what groups became infected, what symptoms they displayed, and how often the infection resulted in death.

Just over 900 people from 404 different households were tested. Results showed around 15% testing positive for coronavirus, a figure five times higher than the nationally reported rate.

Such a rate on a national scale would mean there are as many as 1.8 million infections in Germany, or 10 times the amount currently known to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI).

RKI figures currently show around 163,000 cases of the new coronavirus in Germany.

Nearly a quarter are asymptomatic

Researchers also found that 22% of all infections were asymptomatic, meaning the people did not display any of the symptoms associated with the virus, including fever or cough. These numbers line up with findings out of China and South Korea, where around a fifth of those infected reportedly do not realize they are sick and are therefore unaware that they could be infecting those around them.

"Streecks assumption that we have a high number of unreported cases has now been scientifically verified," said Minister President of North Rhine-Westphalia Armin Laschet, who said the report was an important document for informing future discussions on how to proceed with coronavirus measures in Germany.

"The results can help improve modelling used to estimate how the virus will spread," said co-author of the study Gunther Hartmann. "Thus far, the data basis in this regard was comparatively shaky."
 
Starmer is coming across pretty well on bbc this morning I think. He's measured and his arguments are logical and he isn't resorting to party politics at every opportunity.

He's getting a lot of grief for not wading into the government at this moment in time but I actually think he's going about it in the right way. He's questioning the government without it looking like he's just out to score political points etc, and whilst Labour voters will want him to wade in, at the end of the day he has to convince the rest of the country that him and our party are votable.

I actually think we'll see him hold the government to account when we're through the worst of the situation we find ourselves in now.
 
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