Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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You see I disagree. You speak as though all non compliance to lockdown is the same and I don't think it is. And therefore shouldn't be judged the same. You pulled me up before about zero tolerance but this is exactly what I was referring too.

We're not going to agree on this so I think it's best we leave it there. We're probably splitting hairs really in the whole scheme of things ;)
Technically, non-compliance is non-compliance; however, how it is/should be dealt with depends on mitigating circumstances, but perhaps I didn't explain that well.

Rightly or wrongly, the response probably also boils down to how the perpetrator (I use that word loosely) acts or at least to some extent: a test of attitude so to say.
 
Sorry mate I don’t really mean to come across as argumentative.
I’m talking about game theory mate than anything.
My point is genuinely not about zero tolerance. Just some of the behaviour I’ve seen is reckless. The flat below me has a birthday party yesterday. Multiple house. Multi generations. I’m all for people considering mental health and everything. I think common sense needs to prevail. But that, right now, is nowhere near common sense. Not even close. You extrapolate that across everyone (which you have to because you can’t have one rule for one and another for others) and it becomes dangerous.
Tbh I’m projecting a little. My personal circumstances are such that people being reckless hits a sore spot.
As I said, we're probably splitting hairs here.

Personally, I'm sticking regimentally to the brief apart from the odd drive I'm taking with the wife when she's having a bad day. I'm basically saying we shouldn't treat all the same and maybe have a bit more tolerance for the minor infringements where social distance procedures are being strictly adhered too. As I said, we don't always know the circumstances behind actions and sometimes we're too quick to judge.

Anyway, no problems mate.
 
Over 4000 new infections again. I know we're testing a hell of a lot more people, but there's no way we can introduce contact tracing when levels are so high. Which means I can't see us making many significant changes to lock down when this current period end next week.

As an aside, Michael Gove comes across as an absolute tool. He may be a clever guy but I can never seem to get past the fact hat he has a very punchable face :)

But seriously, the government need people to front these daily meetings who at least seem to know what they are talking about. He inspires no confidence whatsoever.
 
More on China and North Korea from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has been speaking to ABC.

“I can tell you that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” Pompeo said, when asked about Trump’s claim this week to have seen intelligenceconfirming the theory that Covid-19 was man-made and did not originate in bats and find its way to humans via a “wet market”, as is generally accepted. He did not, of course, say what the evidence was. Pompeo added: “The best experts so far seem to think it was man-made. I have no reason to disbelieve that at this point.”

Then the exchange with This Week host Martha Raddatz got confusing, as to what Pompeo does or does not think. This is from ABC’s transcript:
RADDATZ: Your Office of the [Director of National Intelligence] says the consensus, the scientific consensus [is that the virus] was not man-made or genetically modified.
POMPEO: That’s right. I agree with that. Yeah. I’ve seen their analysis. I’ve seen the summary that you saw that was released publicly. I have no reason to doubt that that is accurate...
(CROSSTALK)
RADDATZ: OK, so just to be clear, you do not think it was man-made or genetically modified?
POMPEO: I’ve seen what the intelligence community has said. I have no reason to believe that they’ve got it wrong.
Um…

Pompeo continued to attack China for its handling of the outbreak and what he said was a delay in transmitting information to the rest of the world. So far, so in line with White House attempts to blame China and thereby shift attention or blame from its own stumbling response as the US situation worsened throughout February and March.
 
Covid-19 impacting patients' kidneys with many ending up needing dialysis.

70% require ventilators and 30-40% require dialysis or other renal treatment in ICU. 30% are likely to require ongoing dialysis on recovery.

 
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To restart the premier league they are proposing to test, test and test, the same should go for teachers and transport workers if they are asked to open schools up and run more trains and buses. If not, then teachers and transport workers would have every right to refuse to work in an unsafe environment.

Rail unions warn against lifting lockdown to run more trains
Three rail unions have written to Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Nicola Sturgeon, the First Minister of Scotland, Mark Drakeford, the First Minister of Wales, and Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, saying this is not the time to lift the lockdown and run more trains.
The joint letter – signed by the heads of ASLEF, RMT and the TSSA– says it is ‘completely unacceptable’ to put the lives of passengers and rail staff at risk.
They warn:
We have severe concerns over attempts by operators to increase service levels. First, it sends out a mixed message that it is okay to travel by train – despite official advice suggesting otherwise. This mixed messaging could be dangerous and lead to the public flouting the rules on travel and work.
Second, there is no agreement on how actually services can be increased whilst protecting workers and passengers. This includes protections through social distancing, adequate and appropriate PPE, and determination of essential and non-essential tasks.
 
What is of equal importance is the standard of testing. Not sure a soldier, even perhaps a medic is properly trained
to carry out the procedure. Out of interest, are any other countries in europe using the military to do the procedure?
Not Europe but some US states are using their National Guard
Peagler headed into Dawson Health and Rehabilitation Center, a small nursing home where 14 of the 60 or so residents had died from COVID-19 over the past month. He and his fellow soldiers conducted their mission with efficiency, quickly testing the home’s surviving residents for the coronavirus. A military medic stuck a swab into each resident’s nose, then dropped it into a vial held by another guard member, who then handed it down an assembly line of soldiers until it was placed in an ice-filled cooler.

“If you were to see us, you would think we’ve been doing this longer than we have,” said Peagler, a native of suburban Atlanta, who, like many members of the Guard, had no formal medical experience before the pandemic. “That’s because we’ve had to pick up on it so quickly.”
 
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