Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

good to see the French have announced which bits might be safe to open on May 11:

Carte du déconfinement: rouge, orange ou vert, quelle est la couleur de votre département?

Annoncée mardi par Édouard Philippe lors de sa présentation du plan de déconfinement à l'Assemblée nationale, cette nouvelle carte des territoires affiche, logiquement, des départements rouges, notamment en Île-de-France et dans le Grand Est.

www.bfmtv.com

 

[LinekersLegs]

Can't trust any data from China.

We all know people being in close proximity increases the spread so common sense dicates higher population density is bad.

There are valid questions about China data, which is why I said it would be interesting to see if pattern holds in other countries. However I also don’t automatically dismiss everything that comes out of there, at least in raising questions on base assumptions, particularly as we have very limited data set of countries that have passed through the bulk of their first wave. I’d love to see the same analysis on South Korea data for instance.

And just because a hypothesis seems “common sense” doesn’t mean it is necessarily correct or even if correct it is not overwhelmed by other factors - you test it against data.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Ok, so what conclusions can we draw, we have less cases but more deaths than Spain, yes, so does that mean that their hospitals and medics are better than our NHS. Is that what you are saying ?....

If we surpass Spain and Italy, which we will, they are two weeks ahead of us on the downward slope, we are nearly doubling Spain's daily death toll at present, then we could not have made a worse attempt at containing the virus of any European country, add that to all the scandal of Care Home deaths and PPE not being available, it's been a sh*t show from start to finish, and the buck has to rest with the Tory Govt.

Major review into how we'd cope with a pandemic in 2016, conclusion was we were badly under prepared and under gunned, advice given on how to improve our abilities to deal with it, all mainly ignored by the Govt.

 

[LinekersLegs]

“or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan”.....

I was wondering who between you and @davek would react fastest to that post - Dave beat you to it lol

 

[peteblue]

If we surpass Spain and Italy, which we will, they are two weeks ahead of us on the downward slope, we are nearly doubling Spain's daily death toll at present, then we could not have made a worse attempt at containing the virus of any European country, add that to all the scandal of Care Home deaths and PPE not being available, it's been a sh*t show from start to finish, and the buck has to rest with the Tory Govt.

Major review into how we'd cope with a pandemic in 2016, conclusion was we were badly under prepared and under gunned, advice given on how to improve our abilities to deal with it, all mainly ignored by the Govt.

But you are ignoring my question. We have fewer people diagnosed but higher deaths, and the majority of these are taking place in hospital (I won’t even discuss Spain’s care homes as they are a disgrace), so having now been diagnosed and entered hospital, are we medically treating people worse than Spain, yes or no ?....If yes, then this is a national disgrace, but I don’t think we are. So if the answer is no, then what other conclusions can you draw ?......

 

[peteblue]

Their lock down measures were more draconian than ours.

But that’s just about how many catch it, and they have more cases, yet we have more hospital deaths.....

 

[peteblue]

I was wondering who between you and @davek would react fastest to that post - Dave beat you to it lol

I have a life.....and I was making a new avatar for @COYBL25 ....

edit...evidently I don’t have a life.....

 

[Hickson9]

But you are ignoring my question. We have fewer people diagnosed but higher deaths, and the majority of these are taking place in hospital (I won’t even discuss Spain’s care homes as they are a disgrace), so having now been diagnosed and entered hospital, are we medically treating people worse than Spain, yes or no ?....If yes, then this is a national disgrace, but I don’t think we are. So if the answer is no, then what other conclusions can you draw ?......

What errors do you think the Government has made in the years prior to this pandemic, and during, that have contributed to the excess number of deaths of British citizens?

This isn't a trick question by the way or some way to bash the Conservatives.

We need to accept the errors and understand them in order to learn the lessons, if we want to try and edge back towards a new normal and mitigate something of this magnitude happening again.

 

[Jebus_lives]

But you are ignoring my question. We have fewer people diagnosed but higher deaths, and the majority of these are taking place in hospital (I won’t even discuss Spain’s care homes as they are a disgrace), so having now been diagnosed and entered hospital, are we medically treating people worse than Spain, yes or no ?....If yes, then this is a national disgrace, but I don’t think we are. So if the answer is no, then what other conclusions can you draw ?......

I'm a bit busy at the minute, but I'll share the current standard patient pathway and SOP for Covid19 patients tomorrow if it helps.

Might help with the hundreds of different 'why is this happening or not happening?' questions every day

 

[Jebus_lives]

I thought Russia was in Europe tbh.....

It is, still has a border with China though.

 

[Jebus_lives]

That will be put to good use in the future lol

Ordinarily it would be single use, but failings in preparedness, logistics and all that...

 

[evilwebby]

Here's the league table Pete, we won't win the league but I'd stick £200 on us being 2nd.
View attachment 85121

Looking at the totals is not how to interpret raw numbers.
Even pre-schoolers understand the concept of adjusting for population size.

 

[LinekersLegs]

But you are ignoring my question. We have fewer people diagnosed but higher deaths, and the majority of these are taking place in hospital (I won’t even discuss Spain’s care homes as they are a disgrace), so having now been diagnosed and entered hospital, are we medically treating people worse than Spain, yes or no ?....If yes, then this is a national disgrace, but I don’t think we are. So if the answer is no, then what other conclusions can you draw ?......

Lack of testing, ie # cases diagnosed are underreported compared to Spain, would be a simple explanation. They are doing about 31k tests per million population compared to UK’s 13k

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,307,410 Cases and 2,842,464 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[Dixieslaces]

Put a mask on and pipe down.

I would if there were any available!!!

 

[Dharma]

Hancock: “This is an important question Clive and I fully understand how you feel. I too, have hair, and need a haircut, so completely get that this is a difficult and emotional time for all of us.”

If we surpass Spain and Italy, which we will, they are two weeks ahead of us on the downward slope, we are nearly doubling Spain's daily death toll at present, then we could not have made a worse attempt at containing the virus of any European country, add that to all the scandal of Care Home deaths and PPE not being available, it's been a sh*t show from start to finish, and the buck has to rest with the Tory Govt.

Major review into how we'd cope with a pandemic in 2016, conclusion was we were badly under prepared and under gunned, advice given on how to improve our abilities to deal with it, all mainly ignored by the Govt.

Not like there wasn't any warning eh?